I have to admit that I share these concerns about voting for Obama.

He's not a progressive and he's not particularly liberal. Hell, in many ways he's to the right of Ronald Reagan. His recent signing of the National Defense Authorization Act with it's provision allowing for the indefinite detention of American citizens is just the latest in a long line of bad decisions on his part. We shouldn't be indefinitely detaining anyone, let alone Americans.

He's counting on anyone the GOP puts forward to be worse than he is and that's probably a safe bet. I'm still hedging on whether I'll vote this year or not. I'm having real moral problems with voting for Obama and there sure as hell isn't anyone else I'd feel any better voting for. He's the lesser of two evils and I'm really sick of having to make that choice. #seb #politics #Obama #Elections

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Why I Won’t Be Voting for Obama
The discussion in the Rick Santorum comment thread has veered into whether Obama is worth voting for.
He’s not. Not one bit.
His civil liberties record is one of the worst in history. George Washington University law professor Jonathan Turley, writing in the Los Angels Times, wrote:
Civil libertarians have long had a dysfunctional relationship with the Democratic Party, which treats them as a captive voting bloc with nowhere else to turn in elections. Not even this history, however, prepared …

13 thoughts on “I have to admit that I share these concerns about voting for Obama.

  1. What Obama is Marxist. He grew up with a mother, father that were Marxists. He attended college groups that supported Marxism so thats what he's trying to turn the US into.

    Which is why I don't believe a word he says about SOPA. Sure, he'll be against it during the elections but if he maintains power, he will definetly try to sneak it back in under another name.

  2. I agree. Last year was the first year I ever voted mainly because I didn't want Palin anywhere near the Whitehouse and thought that a changed needed to happen. This year, I am not so sure. I am not particularly fond of any of the candidates to be honest. :-/

  3. I'm sorry Phil, but I don't see any evidence that Obama is a Marxist of any kind. Given his strong ties to Wall Street and the expansion of — not just continuation of — many of George W. Bush's programs it's hard to take the claim he's a Marxist seriously.

    Even if it were true that he was raised by two Marxists, a claim I've yet to see evidence for, that doesn't automatically make him a Marxist as well. My wife was raised by Republicans yet she has somehow managed to not become a Republican herself. Show me evidence that suggests he's a Marxist and I'll consider it, but simply saying he's a Marxist because his parents were isn't going to cut it.

  4. +Les Jenkins " I'm still hedging on whether I'll vote this year or not. I'm having real moral problems with voting for Obama and there sure as hell isn't anyone else I'd feel any better voting for. He's the lesser of two evils and I'm really sick of having to make that choice."

    Les, I share your unease. I would note, however, that those who choose not to vote are in fact choosing to allow others to make the decision of who will run the country for them.

  5. Also, I checked into +Gary Johnson and there's no chance in hell I'd vote for him either. For all my Libertarian leanings, I'm not a Libertarian and Johnson's statement on his website that he'd repeal Obamacare is reason enough not to vote for him. It's one of the few good things Obama has done and my only problem with it is that he didn't fight harder for a single payer option. Yes, I'm all for socialized medicine.

    +Jeff Brown I get that, but when the only options are all bad options it's hard to see the point.

  6. I’m also sick of voting for lesser of the too weevils. But the last time I got roped into any sort of false equivalency we got George W. Bush instead of Al Gore. That’s right; Iraq is all my fault.

    I will vote for lesser of two evils indefinitely. The solution begins by electing Greens at the local and state level; it’s a long game.

  7. I loathe the idea of voting for Obama, but the liberal strategy of being useless during close election years has led to tangible decay in this nation. Dante believed that neutrality was the worst position that one could take, and it is difficult to argue. Did those liberals who sat out the ’68 election transform America into a progressive utopia? Did sitting out the 2000 election or voting for Nader yield long term benefits? No, what we got were the two most despotic Republican presidents in our history, Nixon and Bush. The country became less progressive as a result, not more so. Obama can do some of the shit he does because Bush created the precedents for it. Enabling the Republicans to retake the White House and move the nation even further Right than it is under Obama is not my idea of a good idea.

    I share your hesitance, Les, but allowing the Republicans to win does not help the nation. And the Democratic Party becomes more conservative with defeats, not more progressive. Noam Chomsky argues that the Democrats and Republicans are two wings of the same corporate party, but even he acknowledges that the common person benefits in the long run from Democrats being in office. That is how I view it as well, and it would be wrong to deny that Obama has supported some progressive policies. It is hard to envision that progress surviving a Republican successor. If all of that is not reason enough to vote for Obama, the coup de grace is the Supreme Court. If Republicans regain the presidency and move the Supreme Court further right I will flee this country…

  8. Voting for the lesser of two weasels seems to be the only choice for those who vote. And I do vote. The Republican choices scare the hell out of me. Obama’s social programs seem much more desirable than those offered by the other side. I may be forced to vote for a POTUS I have been denigrating for the last three years, simply because the other direction is too scary to contemplate. What is a liberal conservative to do? Economic -2.25, Libertarian -6.41


  9. Yep. I’m voting for Obama again, even though I too am disappointed in him. Not voting for him is voting for the greater of two evils. The protest value of not voting is merely personal- no one else cares if you don’t vote; the world will not become a better place because people get shocked into action by the low voter turnout. At least it doesn’t seem to happen in history, and history is a better guide for decision making, to my pragmatic mind, than ideals of whatever sort.

  10. I share a lot of concerns about Obama and the democratic party in general. It seems to me that former civil libertarians in both parties have been only too happy to surrender the individual freedoms of citizens, either at the command of corporate interests, or in clownish attempts to look “tough on something”…crime, terrorism, whatever fear du jour is popular at the moment. It has been clear for decades that republicans’ cries for freedom and against big government tyranny were really just a bait and switch- trading federal rules and control on some issues for corporate control and local government tyrannies of the rich. Observant people have long known that in most cases, the liberties of individuals, especially those not directly aligned with the dominant interests, would be placed in severe risk. No minimum wage, no civil rights act, no EPA, etc.

    Since 9/11, it seems that both parties have been stripped of the need to hide their authoritarian tendencies. They can all hide behind the threats of terrorism, and be spared the responsibility of looking at the long-term consequences of their actions. This carries over into the realm of policies that are not even security issues at all. They no longer feel the need to hide the fact that corporate interests are writing laws in order to police consumers, not protect citizens or their freedoms. Not a month goes by anymore that I don’t read about some new legislation that will increase corporate control over consumers, give extra rights to or lowers responsibilty of corporations, lower taxes on those benefitting most from our system, increase the size and scope of the government’s policing powers, increase the levels of secrecy in government functions, or reduce the freedom of individuals, without conferring any benefit at all to the people.

    Somehow, despite all this, the only thing that dissatisfied people can seem to do is get behind a quasi-libertarian, racist, sexist douchebag with nothing but naive non-solutions to offer, or refuse to vote. The truth is, we could do better, but we’re all wired into the “quick fix” mentality, and nobody wants to dedicate a large part of their short lives to supporting political ideals, especially when they know thay will have to deal with defeat and disappointment and the ridicule of the ignorant at least some of the time, if not most of the time. Our ideals are lofty, admirable, and completely worthwhile- but our fortitude seems to be weakening. As observed by Douglas Adams in the Hitchhikers series, most regular folks can’t beat a zealot in an even match. Those working against us have all the motivation in the world…religious zealots who want theocracy have had several decades of secularization in society to get them worked up. They have weekly reinforcement of their delusions and persecution complexes. Those trying to set up a profitable police state, or game the financial system are chasing after money and power almost beyond our imaginations, surely a motivating factor if there ever was one.

    Those of us pushing for equality, secularism, rational policies, and freedom for the individual (which must at times compete against the freedoms of various groups and interests)…well, to be honest, life in America isn’t exactly shit for most of us, is it? Hell, I live in one of the most expensive counties in America, I only make $11 per hour, but I don’t really have much trouble getting by these days. I have no real resources, no real power, very little opportunity for advancement, but life itself isn’t slave labor and tyranny all the time. I don’t think the world is ending every time something bad happens. I’m not fighting for god, or my immortal soul, or for control of the world, but simply for a better tomorrow for myself and others, and a fighting chance for a solid future for mankind…without the laser focus of the true zealot, it’s easy to get complacent and let my concerns get diluted and pushed to the back of my mind. If we want to keep ourselves from becoming obsolete sheep being led to slaughter, we have to stay vigilant, and unapoligetically so. Nap time is just not an option, unless you’ve already given up.

    As far as this next election goes, I will certainly be voting for Obama again. There is no doubt in my mind. All other current options are completely out of the question for me, and it would take some major betrayal to change my opinion on that. I think that DOF and Zilch are entirely correct…not voting, or voting out of spite, never solves anything and only works in favor of those profiting off causing the problems.

    But there is another side to it, a serious responsibility on our part that goes way beyond holding our noses and pulling the lever.

    If Obama gets a second term, our job is not to laud him, not to revel and rub republicans’ noses in their own poo pile, not to guarantee Obama a peaceful second term and historical legacy, but to HOLD HIS FUCKING FEET TO THE FIRE. To make him EARN his legacy. To use that time to inspire other liberals, progressives, civil libertarians, and even the few reasonable libertarians to work together as much as possible, to keep congress from swinging any further to the authoritarian right, and to change the political landscape while we can. Over the last thirty years, I have seen republicans have great success at this, using every victory to push us a little further into theocracy, corporate welfare, permanent warfare, and the glorification of ignorance and tribalism. We have to stay motivated and fight back at every opportunity. As tired as I am of the uphill struggle, I still look forward to seeing who the next pioneers will be. I wonder if Franken has anything cool up his sleeve-he could go far with the right encouragement. I wonder if we can push Obama into a having more of a spine in a second term. I wonder if some of the women of the democratic party will get their chance to shine a little brighter. As easy as it is to be pessimistic, it is misplaced. My own nephew, now 21, is going to school in the social sciences, and hopes to help his home county of Tulare, now the poorest in the state of California. Despite the efforts of republicans with shit like NCLB, people are as well-educated as they have ever been, and while we may have setbacks, few people really want to go back in time. There is as much potential for enlightened society now as there has ever been…it’s up to all of us- every election, and every day.

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