A fine example of Christian tolerance for other faiths.

We’ve had an ongoing thread here on SEB wherein a Christian asks why he is perceived as the bad guy. It’s a thread I’ve mostly stayed out of because the regulars are already doing a pretty excellent job of making the argument. Besides, I’m always posting examples of why Christians are often perceived as the bad guys anyway.

Here’s a really good one. It’s a video clip from a Christian who is upset with the recent expansion of the Federal Hate Crimes bill:

I can feel the love of Jesus now! It makes me all warm and toasty!

So, yeah, that’s a pretty good example of why Christians are often seen as the bad guys. With loving acceptance like that, who needs enemies?

Found via Attempts at Rational Behavior.

32 thoughts on “A fine example of Christian tolerance for other faiths.

  1. This is simple.

    #1 There are asshole Muslims
    #2 There are asshole Christians
    #3 There are asshole Atheists
    #4 There are asshole (insert the rest of the groups here)

    There are also good Muslims, Christians and Atheists. The thing is they don’t make Youtube videos proclaiming how good they are. Asshole usually look for attention and normal people don’t.

  2. There are a lot of people that believe he is Muslim and that he isn’t a US citizen. Do a Google search on birther. There are a lot of people that think they forged his birth certificate.

    Its amazing how easy it is to sway people with bullshit. It should blow my mind but after you have seen it happen so many times you just get used to it.

  3. This video pissed me off so much that, in protest, I went out and burned a big wooden cross. But for some strange reason my good friend Clyde (who happens to be black) won’t speak to me anymore!

    In all seriousness, though, you have to be a special kind of loser to waste your own time, as well as everybody else’s to film such an infantile stunt such as this. There are probably no more than three Muslims in the world who give a crap about what this inbred dipshit thinks or does to some “muslim prayer rug.” They’re too busy having lives, including having real-life girlfriends/wives instead of posting retarded videos to youtube while saying THE BIBLE SAYS about eight billion times.

    The Bible says “Do not remove this book from Church.”
    The Bible says “George Carlin is God.”
    The Bible says “Eat shit and die.”

  4. If anything, this jackass would offend more Muslims than Homosexuals.

    Boy, I wonder how bad the jackassery would go IF the Senate did pass the Health Care bill WITH a public option?

  5. the bible says… the bible says… the bible says… the bible says… the bible says… the bible says… the bible says… the bible says… the bible says… the bible says…

    But, hell, he knows what god thinks so I am signing up. The rug is ugly anyway.

  6. Yeah, it’s yahoos like the ones in the video here who make it hard to argue that Christians aren’t all intolerant bigots, hateful zealots, spoiled children who think religion is a zero-sum game, and country bumpkins who couldn’t hold an intelligent political conversation if was graven on stone tablets for them.

    I mean … what is all this supposed to mean? Do they think that the hate crimes bill made what they just did illegal, so they’re thumbing their noses at “wicked Obama” by burning a Muslim prayer rug? I was honestly waiting for the guy to set himself on fire, too, out of sheer idiocy.

    Not to sound like I’m invoking the No True Scotsman fallacy, but these guys aren’t following any flavor of Christianity I’d be inclined to follow (and, I’m sure, vice-versa). Feh.

  7. What really scares me, is what Moloch says. The right seems to be trying to stir up as much hate as absolutely possible.

    I heard one person at that anti-health care rally who talked about how Obama was evil, and doing the wrong things, and sending the country in the wrong direction…and ended up with “kill the terrorists.”

    So we have a bunch of nutjobs each being stirred up to “kill the terrorists” and somebody is going to try, or worse…do it.

    I really, really, really didn’t like Bush Jr as President, but never in a million years would I ever suggest that he should be dealt with in a violent fashion. Vote his party out; impeach him; whatever…but would anybody think things would be better with violence?

  8. I watched the Video, to me it is like witnessing a mental disorder. I would bet this man victimizes everyone and everything he can. I know many of you on this board ( SEB ) see these types of episodes or actions as far right wing views.

    The reality or rather ( my reality ) is that the political party is just the vehicle. We see this outrageous behavior from many people. Some are left, some are right, christian, muslim, and even perhaps atheist, and some have no political or religious vehicles. They are just that way…Nuts, Crazy, but a better term would be mentally ill.

    For the last several years I have been studying a disorder known as Narcissistic Personality Disorder or ( NPD )and all I can say is if the shoe fits, wear it. And this guy in the video ( though I am not completely 100% sure ) but for the most part pretty sure, fits the basic composite of NPD.

    Check out the disorder in these links.


    The next link is a collection of stuff I found…very good reading.


    You can also wiki NPD.

    I have found the more I read about NPD the more I see it as the cause of so much chaos in the world.

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  10. Not to sound like I’m invoking the No True Scotsman fallacy, but these guys aren’t following any flavor of Christianity I’d be inclined to follow (and, I’m sure, vice-versa). Feh.

    I don’t see any Scotsmen in that statement.

    By the way, Les, any chance of getting comment previews back?

  11. I noticed that neither one of these yahoos had the balls to show their faces. So not only are they idiots, they are cowards too.

  12. To this I would only say that just like Radical Muslims, there exist Radical Christians. One of the Christian faiths highest laws, laid down my God in Ten Commandments also tells us to Obey the laws of the land. That being said, Christians are commanded of God to obey the hate crimes law and be subject to it. If they don’t like it, then vote out the law makers that put it up. I was brought up in a Christian household and raised by Christian parents. I’m not atheist. But I don’t agree (nor do MOST Christans) with this mans interpretation of the bible. I think he needs to go dance on some more snakes. Maybe a black mamba or two. LOL

    I for one was happy to see the law.

  13. As I understand it: if an action was legal before, it’s still legal now. Hate crimes law establishes punishments for certain variations on things that are already crimes, like assault or harassment.

    As before, context is important. Burning a cross in your backyard is legal, providing fire laws are observed. Burning it on the front lawn of a black family that just moved into your neighborhood is harassment, therefore not legal.

    Can anyone expand on that, perhaps offer corrections?

  14. This guy is a ‘street preacher’, name of James Lyman. Apparently he travels the US, trying to convert all us heathens, by standing on street corners, yelling at traffic. He’s got his kids dragged into it as well…
    Not being too familiar with this kind of religious fervor, I’ve spent the last half hour browsing some of the fundamentalist Christian websites and blogs, and I don’t know whether to laugh or cry…

  15. “By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.” Jn 13:35

    I did not see a “Christian” burning that prayer rug. No Christians in that video.

  16. I just went through the link to see the video – apparently it has been “removed by the user”. I always miss the good stuff.

  17. In the video, the speaker is never seen. He is holding a small Muslim prayer rug upside down. He says something about the president’s legitimacy, how the hate crimes act violates freedom of speech, and that Islam is a false religion that God hates, then sets fire to the rug, which burns smoky. He apparently believes he is violating the law, thus daring the president to come get him. Only, he isn’t violating the law; he’s just looking like a jerk.

  18. problem is that the god of all versions of the bible if you look at them honestly is acting exactly the way that the worst of the christians, muslims, and jews act.

    perhaps not following a villain like him would be a good idea to redeem the image of people of the book.

  19. When I first read all the “The Bible says…” repetitions I could think of getting my own Bible See-&-Say.

    The Bible says … MOOOO!

  20. You wicked perverted fools! You will not escape the judgment of God! Repent anf turn to Jesus Christ or you WILL burn in hell for all eternity!

  21. Thanks James! Your amazing argument has me totally convinced. I am renouncing my atheism and becoming a Christian forthwith. Your rock solid logic is impossible to refute. Thanks for opening my eyes.

  22. James, if I am to be roasted in the fires of hell, and (presumably) you’ll be in heaven, could you do me one small favor?

    Since you’ll be with the Almighty and he has power over all, could you arrange for my immortal soul to be basted in chipotle BBQ sauce (recipe follows):


    * 1 tablespoon canola oil
    * 2 cups diced yellow onion
    * 7 cloves garlic, minced
    * 1 cup ketchup
    * 1 cup chipotle red chile paste, recipe follows
    * 1/2 cup Worcestershire sauce
    * 1/2 cup strong coffee
    * 1/3 cup packed brown sugar
    * 1/4 cup cider vinegar
    * 1/4 cup freshly squeezed lemon juice
    * 1 1/2 teaspoons Dijon mustard
    * 2 teaspoons kosher salt


    In a large, heavy saucepan heat the oil over medium heat and add the onion and garlic. Saute until they begin to wilt. Add the ketchup and chile paste and saute for 4 minutes. Add all of the remaining ingredients stir and let simmer for 30 to 40 minutes. As the sauce thickens, stir more often so it does not scorch. Remove the sauce from the heat and allow it to cool. Place the sauce in a blender and puree. Store in the refrigerator.

    Red Chile Paste :

    * 4 ancho chiles, seeded and stems removed
    * 4 Mexican dried chiles, seeded and stems removed
    * 3 cups chicken stock
    * 1/2 white onion, diced
    * 3 cloves garlic, minced
    * 2 chipotle peppers, seeded and stems removed

    Place the ancho and Mexican chiles in a large saucepan and cover them with the chicken stock. Add the onion and garlic. Bring the stock to a boil over high heat, reduce heat and allow to simmer for about 15 minutes or until the peppers have absorbed some liquid and have become soft. Put the pepper mixture, cooking liquid, and chipotle peppers into a blender. Blend on low speed, increasing to high speed as the puree combines.

    Yield: 3 cups

  23. NOTE: To James the Preacher,

    Not everyone on this board is an Atheist, Here you have a chance to state the case of your belief system. You are choosing to abandon any intellectual discussion in favor of blanket Judgment. ( Surely you want to be heard and understood don’t you ! ) You have succeeded in taking a complete group of people and putting them in one basket. And that’s just not fair.

    If you have taken the time to register and read the various post. Then you should be willing to come to the table with an intellectual assessment of your core belief system, and state why you feel your beliefs are correct.

    I’ll be waiting to hear from you…Sincerely Paul

  24. Ah, dearest James, I suggest you take a word of advice from someone I consider a great spiritual teacher: the late and sorely-missed Bill Hicks. Bill’s wisdom comes directly from someone very important in your spiritual life and I suggest you think very hard about his message.

  25. Poor unsaved filthy pervert on your way to hell. Except ye repent…

    Have we just been judged by a “Christian?”

    He doesn’t understand his own faith very well, does he? 🙂


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