Spencer Iowa school board proposal would put religion back into schools.

It seems the religious nutcases in one town in Iowa want to waste a lot of taxpayer money on the inevitable lawsuits that will come of this:

The school board in Spencer, Iowa is proposing a sweeping policy change. A change that will sanction prayer at graduation exercises and other extra-curricular activities, allow for the distribution of religious materials on school grounds, and allow the employee (e.g. teachers) expression of personal religious beliefs. In addition, the school district wants religion in the curriculum, mandating two classes: “The Bible in History and Literature” and “Critic of Darwinism, a scientific approach”.

The proposal, “Religious Liberty at Spencer Community Schools”, if adopted, paves a road to school-sponsored evangelizing. While it is possible the officials may have good intentions, the actual proposal is a blatant endorsement of Christian beliefs. If school sanctioned prayer and the allowance for distribution of religious materials on school grounds is not enough evidence for religious bias, than mandating two classes, Bible Study and a pseudo-science class challenging evolution, simply fails to pass the smell test. Add to that list “the employee expression of personal religious beliefs” (e.g. How Mr. Brown the Phys. Ed. teacher “got Jesus”) and the proposal becomes a first amendment land mine. Why would any public school policy encourage teachers sharing their religious beliefs with students?

The obvious answer is because they’re trying to promote Christianity as the dominate religion. This is a blatant violation of the Establishment clause and I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s challenged in court before it even goes into effect. The only real question will be how much money will be wasted before they give up on this stupid plan.

17 thoughts on “Spencer Iowa school board proposal would put religion back into schools.

  1. Good lord, they never stop trying, do they? I think Biden (not ‘Mr. Republicans-are-actually-really-nice-guys’ Obama) should make a press statement, read out the First Amendment, and explain in small words why, legally, authorities can’t promote their religion in public schools (in his politically incorrect, gaffe-filled manner, of course).

    We need to end this ridiculous culture battle once and for all.

  2. Cool! Maybe we could introduce Islam into the picture too. Then the kids could learn to hack each other to death every day instead of teaching them unimportant things like Math and Science.

    How in the hell could anyone believe they would actually get away with this in a public school? Oh, that’s right… they’re also dumb enough to believe in a book called the bible. A book that has as much truth to it as “The Three Little Pigs.” I guess they could believe just about anything.

    Well, why don’t they just take that pile of money they are going to waste and have a bonfire with it? It would be better than have it going into lawyers pockets.

  3. Thing is…

      If they really stopped to analyse and understand the historical and philosophic reasoning behind establishment clause, these kinds of folks might come to understand that it is very possibly *their own* interests being protected in the long run, by keeping religion out of schools.  After all, they talk about themselves as christians: but imagine the fireworks if half were catholic, and half were baptist?
      There is simply no consensus (for DAMN GOOD REASON) about gods.. Its a free for all of speculation and superstition..  Consensus occurs, ideally, on factual matters; scientific matters; matters of EVIDENCE..

    Something religion will always lack..

  4. One of the central tenants of Christianity is evangelism. Ergo, it is foolish to suppose that Christians will abstain from this practice, and little things like the Constitution will hardly cause them to hesitate. Christianity in its truest form is incompatible with American Constitutional democracy; which is why these sort of controversies will always occur until Christianity becomes a minority religion. Let us hope that this happens sooner rather than later, before people like Sylvia Allen destroy our planet.

  5. It always amazes me that when they propose these kinds of policies, they picture only their own religion and completely ignore the fact that not everyone agrees with them. If a teacher were Muslim or atheist and expressed their religious beliefs to Christian children, how would that go over? If a Muslim group or humanist group came to the school to distribute literature, would that be ok? I doubt it. My hope is that they’ll put the policies in place and the local atheist groups will flood the schools with literature, all the non-christian teachers will start promoting their own religion, and then we’ll see what they think of those policies.

  6. Exactly.. The arrogance is astonishing. These people operate under an unexamined assumption of christianity by default.. As if it is the de facto standard.. WHICH IT has been at times, of course. Notanymore.

  7. Hey SEB!

    I suggest you follow your own rule: If you’re going to bother to comment have something to say that’s worth reading.

    You failed big time, man! At least your moniker is honest.


  8. What about this entry do you not consider being worth reading, Scott? For that matter, why do you bother reading websites that talk about topics you clearly don’t find interesting?

  9. Not to triplicate the irony here, scott, but what exactly is YOUR point,and why is IT worth reading?

      I mean, you have said absolutely nothing at all.

    Seriously, it’s not a rhetorical question. What is your position? Don’t you have one you can articulate?

      No? Then why come?
    For that matter, why not GTF outta here then?

  10. According to the location info he put in Scott is in Iowa. That sheds a little more light on what he’s going on about. Presumably he’s in support of the actions of the Spencer school board.

  11. Or maybe it just means he finds livestock sexually attractive when he can’t run down his sister for a roll in the corn field.

    I dunno. It’s Iowa, they probably think black people are a myth perpetuated by the liberal media out there.

  12. First post here, followed you from Stonekettle Station.

    @ Positive, not all Christian sects are evangelical. I’ve never experienced anything from either Episcopalians, high or low church, or Unitarian/Universalists.

    I went to an Episcopalian college, have had Priests as friends, any number of Episcopalian girlfriends, one of whom is now a Priest, and been married to two.

    When I married the second time we did have to have conferences with the Priest, who said he would be pleased to offer Instruction but only if I was interested.

    On the posted topic, I believe there to be groups who belive the current Supreme Court to be enough Christin devout (and they are) to overturn present rulings on the Establishment Clause.

  13. On the posted topic, I believe there to be groups who belive the current Supreme Court to be enough Christin devout (and they are) to overturn present rulings on the Establishment Clause.

    Sigh! You are probably right. Let’s pray for a miracle. (Pun intended.)  cheese

    any number of Episcopalian girlfriends, one of whom is now a Priest, and been married to two.

    Couldn’t be “Christian,” since they don’t believe in divorce.

  14. @leguru

    The Episcopalian Church, technically Church of England, was founded to give Henry the VIII a divorce.

    Because my first wife was an Episcopalian I did need permission from the Bishop to be married by a priest. Interestingly, because my first marriage was not sacramental, the Roman Catholics would not have had a problem with me marrying in the church. I had an RC girlfriend check it out and tell me.

  15. One of organized religion’s more endearing features, such as the argument about how many angels will fit on the head of a pin. How about the Catholics and Protestants in Ireland? And how about the Sunnis and Shiites? Have you noticed that the Jews, Catholics, Protestants, Sunnis and Shiites all worship the SAME god, ie, the God of Abraham?

  16. The Iowa Secularists are planning to hold educational presentations or panel discussions in Spencer to inform about the actual opinions of Charles Haynes regarding the law.  It was reported at http://www.spencerdailyreporter.com/story/1552154.html  that the authors had got the idea for the policy from him.  When contacted, Haynes’ reply included, “Clearly, the district has a great deal of work to do before this policy passes constitutional muster.”

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