I wrote before the war about reports that claimed plans for attacking Iraq had been drawn up before George Bush had stolen won the election and Sunday Dick Cheney pretty much admitted that the whole WMD justification was just a convenience that had no real impact on the decision to go to war:
Asked by “Meet the Press” host Tim Russert whether the United States would have gone ahead with the invasion anyway if the CIA had reported that Saddam did not, in fact, have such weapons, Cheney said yes.
“He’d done it before,” Cheney said. “He had produced chemical weapons before and used them. He had produced biological weapons. He had a robust nuclear program in ’91.”
The U.S. invasion “was the right thing to do, and if we had to do it again, we would do exactly the same thing,” he said.
Got that? They were going to take Saddam out regardless of whether the claims of WMD were true or not and they were willing to lie if they had to to make it happen. Remember this come November.
Yeah.
Real fucking shocked.
I’ve been throwing Devon Largio’s paper at people for a while now, but no one ever seems to give a shit.
This is going to disappear very quickly. The hardcore supporters won’t care because they’ll agree with it. Those of us who have always opposed the war will show it to the people who don’t care one way or another.
No, I didn’t get that.
I see Cheney saying the intelligence was wrong. I see him saying they still would have gone to war if the intelligence had been right (“Iraq has no WMD”).
I don’t see him saying they were “willing to lie if they had to”. Where is that?
How many people did the Saddam regime have to kill before some king of intervention was initiated?
400,000 deaths in fifteen years.
Let’s not foget either just who helped put Saddam in power, the C.I.A.
Of course Britain was also involved in the creation of Iraq:
(1)“Mr Vice President, Iraq doesn’t have weapons of Mass destruction”
(2) “Lets go to war”
Which bit don’t you get Daryll?
Sorry to double, but Eyes must have hit ‘enter’ seconds before I did.
So why not use this as the reason? Is it because, for instance, China has a brutal dictatorship, WMD, invaded another country and has killed thousands of its own people. At least Saddam allowed freedom of religeon!
Or maybe
Hmm always tricky when a favourite son turns on you. Just ask the Victims of the original 9/11 (1973).
Can’t take the chance of offending China, need their cheap goods, can’t risk rising inflation rates, that may cause a recession.
That situation will not last however.
China & Oil.
He’s only admitting it was wrong coz we found out, from other than govt sources, that it was wrong.
If he and his GOPs had been able to muzzle those people Cheney and his fucking whores would still be preaching their original bullshit.
In one way or another it was always about oil. It was never about saving Iraqis from their leader.
And some of the US public have taken years to see through the scam.
Compared to the Bush clan, Machiavelli was a liberal.
Some of the information above was gleaned from a very interesting book: House of Bush – House of Saud by Craig Unger
Always a laugh to be had from Daryl! – For jeebers sake people – He’s a well established troll on this site! – DONT FEED THE TROLLs!!!
They took out Saddam because he was harboring Al Quaeda, got that?
This morning there was a Republican on CNN who was asked why so many people (roughly 48%) still believe that Saddam/Iraq was involved in 9/11.
He said that Republicans have never said that Saddam/Iraq was involved in 9/11 and that this was a lie promoted by Democrats who want to discredit Republicans. However, he did say that Al Quaeda was and is in Iraq and must be defeated. See how easy that was to clarify??
So now instead of being about WMD, 9/11, democracy, or about removing a despot who murdered his people, the war in Iraq is ACTUALLY about getting rid of the terrorists (like Bush did in Afghanistan, no doubt). Somehow Bush fails to mention that the growth of Al Quaeda in Iraq can be directly attributed to the power vacuum left when Bush invaded.
On one thing Bush might be telling the truth: A failed policy in Iraq seems likely to make America less safe. (It is HIS policy mind you, but hey, let’s forget about past mistakes, right?)
Here’s a lesson on lying:
Always include some element of truth in your lie. It makes your entire story seem plausible.
Why do so many Americans believe that Saddam was harboring Al Qaeda, or had WMDs? For the same reason that so many Americans believe that the world is less than ten thousand years old: wishful thinking. They’ve got some text, or some position, they want to believe in, and don’t let pesky facts get in the way.
I love reading or hearing people who are GOP apologists talk about what Bush and Cheney said. It reminds me of that link that was posted on here that shows what a conservative sees when they read the NY Times.
A modicum of intelligence and a good memory doesn’t go astray either.
I suppose if you believe in fairy stories you’re more likely to believe in just about anything.
= GOP.
None, too far, LuckyJohn, none too far . . .
wait a sec… Shelley, you’re Americanadian!
Patness, I’m Canadian—but that info wasn’t recorded way back when I signed up as a member, and since I’ve lost my password (and can’t seem to get it back), I’m a Canadian when I post as a guest, but an American when I post from my desktop (which automatically logs me in and has my password recorded somewhere in its depths).
Shelley, the forgot password function isn’t working for you? If nothing else, email me a password and I’ll change it for you.
No, it doesn’t seem to be—I’ve sent you an email with a new one. Thnks, Les.