Blind Patriotism

So after September 11th there was an amazing outpour of charity and unity amongst Americans.  We allowed President Bush to pass the Patriot Act, bomb the hell out of Afghanistan, and start a war with Iraq.  But why?  Why did we allow the government to throw away our freedoms?  Why did we suddenly give a shit about Iraq, a country that hardly anyone in the world cared about prior to 9/11?  Many say it was blind Patriotism.  Well this is a very scary thought to me, to know that our government could use fear as a tactic to get us to rally around any decision they seem to think is good for the country.  I remember after 9/11 the terror alert system was created so we could know how safe things would be that day.  I remember the fear I felt, as many Americans did, when it was orange.  And I remember eventually being pissed off about it when I saw nothing come of the alerts.  I also remember being told, “We received a threat today.  We do not know from where this threat comes or who, we do not know when it will happen, but we know there is a threat.”  Which is when I started to get really pissed at my government.  Then Michael Moore came along with his infamous Fahrenheit 9/11.  This movie finally seemed to open people’s eyes as to what blind patriotism is, and how dangerous it is. 

Well blind patriotism is still alive and well today.  It is one of the few explanations I make for those that still support the Iraq war.  And leads me to my real reason for this response: Demonstrators Support Charged Marines.  I usually try to stay away from making opinions about a case until it goes through the legal system, but this article got to me a bit.  Many of the sound bites used were people supporting the 8 troops in this case.  Why, because they support our troops and what they do in Iraq. 
My favorite quote,

“My son is over in Iraq right now, but I would hate to think that he would hesitate to shoot.  No matter what these guys did to survive this war I just hope the can survive our justice system.”

I wish I could hear this woman tell that same thing to the Iraqi parents of the thousands of children that have been killed in bombing raids and by accidental fire, or being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

If you read an article on the same issue from another publisher, you can find people that really think they are just innocent, but many just support our troops, and that is their reasoning.  It kind of threw me off.  Even the defense attorney seemed to state that he was defending the actions of his client, because he was young, instead of going off to college he joined the Marines, he watched as 19 personnel in his unit died, and two died within his hands.  Well I gotta say I certainly feel for this young man and his family, and the family of the 19 other troops that passed away in Iraq.  But it still brings up the issue, are war conditions a cause of murder, or a justifiable cause for murder?  I answer this question always with a resounding NO!  But there are others that seem to think differently.  This issue was even discussed on DOF’s blog: What do Soldiers Have to do to Stay Sane?  Well there may not be much for them to do in Iraq, but showing a lack of multi-cultural understanding through a stupid video, should not be one of them.  And dragging someone into the street, tying their hands, shooting them, and then placing an AFK on the body should also not be one of them.

If the 8 men are innocent of the charges then fine.  But don’t support someone or say, “I believe they are innocent, because of the violence and everything else they have seen over there.”  That, to me just shows stupidity. Nothing can justify ethnocentricity but stupidity, and nothing justifies murder except self-defense.

98 thoughts on “Blind Patriotism

  1. See – I fucked up again.
    Sorry mate.

    DoF: … gay couples can’t have abortions.

    That was supposed to be an ELWED quote. LOL

  2. Just to be absolutely clear, I’ve just quoted it myself. No clue who said it first.

    As to the funny bit, you’d have to ask GeekMom.

  3. Also in our zeal to disagree with all things conservative we also tend to overlook points where conservatism really has a point.  This is an important weakness in itself.

    I am afraid that there are no points where the right wing christians actually have anything in common with any rational beings.  The traditional Republicans pander to them and there are some points of actual agreement, the majority of the appearant agreement is false.  One example is that more than half of the Fortune 500 corporations have policies that are positive toward gays, which of course does not agree with the beliefs of the right wing christians nor of the STATED beliefs of the the Republican party.  In the past, most Republicans were moderates, now, on the surface, they have became right wing zealots in order to pander to the right wing christians and to further the New World Order.  For an example of the schizophrenia is happening in the Republican party, look at McCaine; who is a typical old-school Republican moderate and a hawk.  In the past, McCaine has expressed many views in common with many liberals, but he can now longer mention them in public because they do not agree with George W’s views.

  4. The only thing that mildly interests me about Coulter is whether she writes bullshit or horseshit.

    You’re wrong, it’s Bushshit.

    It is very scary how the GOP has been able to put together a trinity of traditional Republican constituents, corporate interests, and the fanaticised christian right wing to create an evil ultra conservative, corporate driven, christian facist party.

    Scary as suddenly being sent back in time to time to 1930-35.

    http://english.pravda.ru/mailbox/22/101/399/14285_Allure.html
    Such ironical too see Russian magazine being so right… manage even to make comparison something in own end.

    Oh yeah, forgot that major difference, even Hitler was elected by majority!

    http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Articles3/Jayne_Hitler-Bush.htm
    http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0307-22.htm

    Amazingly strange, isn’t it? The republicans would seem to stand for so many things that are completely contrary to “Christian

  5. decrepitoldfool: Strategy, anyone?

    LISTEN.

    We are all so fucking fed up with each other that we are screaming right over one another. People are not talking to reach solutions anymore. They are talking to solidify their own damn views. Ears shut and mouth open, laying brick after brick until that wall is so thick we have built our very own little prisons where we can sit and think in circles until we have reached such an extreme, we will let a woman DIE before we will let her have an abortion, or actually feel like belting out a big “FUCK OFF” when someone asks, “Have you found Jesus?”

    Nobody gave a shit about their politics, sexual orientation, nationality, religion or non-religion, citizenship, etc. when they were jumping out of the World Trade Center straight to their deaths. But look at us now, nearly 5 years later. Stop and look around. Short of another catastropic event to make us temporarily forget the bullshit (again!!), there is not going to be any magic bullet to pull this country together. No overnight “POOF!”

    We start with our conservative neighbors while they are alone and tending their gardens. LISTEN TO THEM. People always say more than they mean to; they always give a little bit away, and if we are LISTENING, we will catch it: our way in. Be PATIENT. Look for a COMPROMISE.

    We are steadily losing ground waiting for our opportunity to leap. If we were taking these smaller steps, we would be at least getting somewhere.

    $0.02+

  6. Justice: People are not talking to reach solutions anymore.

    And Bull$hit lead the way by sending the green machine into action in Afghanistan and Iraq.

    But look at us now, nearly 5 years later. Stop and look around. Short of another catastrophic event to make us temporarily forget the bullshit (again!!), there is not going to be any magic bullet to pull this country together.

    I have faith in the American people to produce a righteous man as the next president who is a humanist before being a polarising, narrow-little-minded theist. LOL

    Look for a COMPROMISE.

    Just like Bull$hit couldn’t because it wasn’t in Big Oil’s interest. smile
    Yeah I know I’ve offered nothing positive, except Hope … or was that Faith? LOL
    Sorry mate, I agree with most of your observations and utopian dreams.
    Frustrating, isn’t it, that people want to concentrate on irrelevant bullshit.
    Bread and circuses is all the people want. (Juvenal)

  7. Utopian, eh? Well, that is depressing.

    If thinking the divide doesn’t have to be this bad seems to be a utopian idea, . . that is sad, and not at all because it is an accurate observation. Just out of curiosity, about how many decades have you been here? Alive, that is.

    I can’t tell where your post is coming from, and I’m not going to assume. I’m just going to answer.

    If liberals are just hanging in there until we can get a better guy in position, then we are naive, and we are steadily losing ground because of it. If thinking good communication would encourage people to actually grow up a little and get over themselves is just too optimistic, then… I’ve been too optimistic. But I am right. And I answered decrepitoldfool’s question.

  8. Justice: If thinking the divide doesn’t have to be this bad seems to be a utopian idea, . . that is sad

    But still Utopian.
    Extremists on the right and left will never understand each other let alone agree.
    If you start with the simple premise that many theists don’t believe atheists should be allowed citizenry but atheists don’t care if theists are, you’re already behind the eight-ball.
    In other words, when all theists agree that all atheists have the right to be so, unconditionally, that will be the day you will see movement towards your utopia.
    Age? Older than most, younger than some. LOL

  9. Justice: “I answered decrepitoldfool’s question”

    You sure did, and right on target. 

    LJ, the only hope we have is to marginalize the extremists on each side.  Instead, moderates on each side are letting the extremists call the shots.  That’s a very bad strategy, whatever the valence of their extremists versus our extremists.

    If listening and compromise are good in personal relationships, why would those things be bad on the national/international stage? There’s far to little of either going on.  We can’t control what the other side does but we can damn sure control what we do.

    “Utopian” ideals are often surprisingly practical in the long run.  If anything, (as the environment and the military capacity of nations changes) more practical now than ever.

  10. Instead, moderates on each side are letting the extremists call the shots. 

    I’m not sure that’s true, DoF.

    There seems to be a world-wide swing to the right—almost everyone everywhere has voted their most conservative elements into office.

    I’d also say that many people whose natural orientation is liberal-leaning have become disillusioned with some of the consequences of liberal ideology— a liberal approach has failed in its promise to solve our most difficult social problems.

    I don’t think that moderates are letting extremists call the shots exactly—but it feels as though traditional moderates are leaning toward conservatism.

    Of course, it doesn’t help that “liberal” has become a dirty word or that anyone espousing a moderate position is labelled “weak.”

    Solution? Maybe a conservative Liberal position that co-opts the best of conservatism (which is kind of how I always thought of Democrats, but apparently they’re not quite conservative enough for American tastes wink ).

  11. There-was a heavily cashed-up ($500-Million) “CIA-BLACK-OPERATION” mentioned on your-own media about 17-Months before the-war who’s specific purpose was-to QUOTE: “Create inter-communal warfare between Sunni & Shia to help-weaken the Bathist-Regime & quicken their eventual-fall!”

    17-Months beforehand! So-much for “SADDAM’S-CHOICES” to-avoid war! Of-course you do-remember that he-was put-there by-the “CIA” to-oppose the “ANTI-ZIONIST-SHIA” of-both Iraq & Iran! (Remember the-war? Your ‘CIA’ deliberately did-that in-another ‘BLACK-OP’ & 2-Million people died! I-couldn’t make-this shorter!)

    & Your-right about-that False-Patriotism! (Jingoism it’s-called down-here! Or-stupidity!) If-you go-to my-site & search the-archives for “ATTA” & someone called “OSAMA BIN-VANSTONE” (I-jest you-not) you-may begin to-get REALITY back-into your-understanding of what-happened & who did-it & why! It’s-all bloody-scary!

    Robby

  12. Sorry Robby, I checked out your site – too many colours man. My head won’t let me focus on anything.
    And, it looks like you checked out from care. It’s important you get back on to your meds mate. I take them too. They almost make me sane sometimes.

    Nothing is scary – we know all about the conspiracies – we always have.
    But those Xians, mate, well you just can’t hold the fuckers back; they’re like Dobermans (shouldn’t that be Dobermen?) pulling on a leash.
    When they want to go kill some cunt they just do it.

    You just stay cool. You’re safe in Oz.

    John

  13. Actually, a few months ago a couple of articles made the rounds about Bush’s plans to salvage Iraq: Sponsor the Shia/Sunni conflict and widen the scope to the neighboring countries and while everybody is at each other’s throats, give a decisive push towards the side Bush wants to win.

  14. Sponsor the Shia/Sunni conflict and widen the scope to the neighboring countries and while everybody is at each other’s throats, give a decisive push towards the side Bush wants to win.

    would play out nicely for the Republicans if they could keep their hands off the ball in flight. Assuming the presidential office belongs to the Democrats in 2008 (to say nothing of the houses of congress), it would be a wonder to see Iraq go out of control, blame it on the Dems, then watch the conflict subside with a central power and the Thugs celebrate their victory.

    While they’d do that at any opportunity, it’s sorta like having a cheque cashed at the right time – so ya don’t spend it all at a bad place and time.

  15. First-up thank-you Luckyjohn19! Thank-you! (I-was losong-heart until I-read your-post!) As-for Edelwhatever! I’ve-already been-warned that if I-don’t shut-up I’ll be-killed! That’s-exactly what I-want! I-can’t & wont live on my-knees!

    To ‘John’ who-suggesested I’m ‘SAFE’ in Australia! I-have a bowel-tumour given to-me by a Lithuanian-Jew working for-the very-same ‘WW2-Zionist-Financiers’ (Both-sides) who-stolen control of-the Whitehouse through their political-puppets & I’m-being totally-refused ‘MEDICAL-TREATMENT’ for-it! The-power these-bastards already-have through-murder & political-blackmail is-scary! I’ve-lost three-children (Dead) in-the last two-years! (Safe?) John! Just download-it as a text-file & use a processor to make-it black & white for-you! (It tells-you about ‘Rummy & Atta’ being directly-involved in GANDA & BUSH replacing the-original ‘Saudi-born Osama’ with a totally-controlled lookalike puppet!) (Named ‘PETER WILLIAM VANSTONE!’ This-is the TRUTH! God Damn-me if I’m-lying!

    Robby

  16. Robby, my mother died of bowel cancer – no one gave it to her – she had a pre-disposition to it just as her mother did.
    At 50 I started having colonoscopies. If I hadn’t I’d be dead cos there were plenty of polyps removed with my first one – not so many with subsequent ones.

    I won’t be reading your stuff – I don’t do conspiracy theories. We all know most of our leaders are a pack of bastards; can’t do much about it.

    “This-is the TRUTH” – Robby, we all have our own truths – they are also known as our own realities.

    And so far as “God Damn-me if I’m-lying” – I don’t do gods and the invisible stuff of dreams and delusions.

  17. Yeah! I-understand you lucky! I’ve-also had a colonoscopy & while I’m-defececating ‘Sheep-shit’ sized faeces this corrupted medical professional somehow ‘Found-nothing!’ (Do-you know the-shape of the bowel? It’s very-hard to-form sheep-shit sized faeces without an obstruction!)

    Anyway I’m so-glad you ‘DON’T-DO CONSPIRACIES!’

    Otherwise you’d more-than likely find ‘REALITY’ to-be a little troubling! I’m not-at-all offended by your-ignorance or attitude to things you-don’t understand! The CHRIST-ians claim to-be thinking caring-people too & the REALITY is they couldn’t give a phuck! Never-have! Period! I-wont post here anymore Emu-John but I-remind you I-got ALL of-my information about ZIONIST-CONSPIRACIES directly from the-players involved firsthand!

    Robby Daniel

  18. Fun With Fundies…

    Yeah! I-understand you lucky! I’ve-also had a colonoscopy & while I’m-defececating ‘Sheep-shit’ sized faeces this corrupted medical professional somehow ‘Found-nothing!’ (Do-you know the-shape of the bowel? It’s very-hard to-form sheep-shit sized faeces without an obstruction!)

    Anyway I’m so-glad you ‘DON’T-DO CONSPIRACIES!’

    Otherwise you’d more-than likely find ‘REALITY’ to-be a little troubling! I’m not-at-all offended by your-ignorance or attitude to things you-don’t understand! The CHRIST-ians claim to-be thinking caring-people too & the REALITY is they couldn’t give a phuck! Never-have! Period! I-wont post here anymore Emu-John but I-remind you I-got ALL of-my information about ZIONIST-CONSPIRACIES directly from the-players involved firsthand!

    Robby Daniel

    Holy Shit a hidden message!!  It’s a conspiracy!  Bush didn’t act alone on 9/11…
    I want to Fuck busH!

  19. I-got ALL of-my information about ZIONIST-CONSPIRACIES directly from the-players involved firsthand!

    Nurse to room 23 please.

  20. It-is funny ‘Les!’ The-man who gave-me most of-the ‘Inside-information’ (A Lithuanian Jewish man called ‘Karl-Kolb’ who-actually ‘Hated’ what he-was doing but never-enough to turn-down the payment for doing-it) told-me about ‘KILLING ASSISTANT POLICE-COMMISSIONER COLIN WINCHESTER’ around 11-days before he-was shot-dead in 88! Now some-other poor-bastard named ‘EASTMAN’ is-doing a life-sentence for a crime he-definitely didn’t do! “Kolb” was reasonably famous! A heavey-set bald-man who-possessed circumcised genitalia of a size normally found only on African-men! He-was (If you’ll-do some research) the man who-was ‘CHEIF ENGINEER’ on ‘Iraq’s-first Chemical-Weapons Facility’ back-in 1973-4!’ (Kolb-once told-me he-was going to ‘Warn-me’ by blowing-up a light-plane transferring-crew heading-up to-the oil-rigs I-was working-on! Next-morning 15 innocent dead-people!) Dismissing information by-just putting someone down as a ‘Crazy’ might be a quick-laugh but your-only showing pure small-minded ignorance! I ‘SAW’ this-man first-hand ‘BAYONET AZARIA CHAMBERLAIN!’ (Her-parents were forced to participate in-the ‘DINGO-STORY’ or-else their other-children would-also be-killed!) You-wouldn’t have a clue Son! ‘Nurse to Room 23 indeed!’ Setting-someone up as a ‘Crazy’ when they’re suddering ‘PTSD’ is-currently occasionally happening to your returned soldiers!

  21. Hilarious Hassar! Will it still be funny after the ‘WW3’ justified by a home-grown ‘Muslim-Terror’ attack that you could have permanetly delayed just-by courageously telling the truth?

    Anyway the CIA rarely-kills average civillians! They normally just use some poor blackmailed go-for to do-it & then kill-them afterwards so it can-never be traced-back!

  22. Hilarious Hassar! Will it still be funny after the ‘WW3’ justified by a home-grown ‘Muslim-Terror’ attack that you could have permanetly delayed just-by courageously telling the truth?

    Anyway the CIA rarely-kills average civillians! They normally just use some poor blackmailed go-for to do-it & then kill-them afterwards so it can-never be traced-back!

    Who needs television when you have this sort of entertainment? Robby, you’ve just given my boyfriend and me the priceless gift of unrestrained laughter. We wouldn’t dream of removing you from this “mailing list” for a second!

  23. What do conspiracy theorists and loony proselytizers in common? They can’t figure out what the “Notify me of follow-up comments?” checkbox is used for.

  24. As a former US Marine I’m going to have to hold judgment of my brothers until an end verdict is reached. I would like to say that the handling of the Iraq quagmire was just horrific. The best way to have handled the situation is set up troops on the boarder to give the image of an invasion. Then you do bombing runs on military and government installations. Most dictators when pressed in this fashion will break. Now I know a fair number of people will disagree with this track. At the time however we didn’t know if Saddam had chemical or biological weapons. The one thing we did know was he would not let inspectors into his country, this was in direct violation of UN resolutions. Now, I’m not the biggest fan of the UN, but these are the rules of the world as it stands.

  25. Timmeh, I think you’ll fine the UN never gave permission to the US to invade Iraq.

    From an August 2002 report: In addition to possible ongoing guerrilla action by Saddam Hussein�s supporters, U.S. occupation forces would likely be faced with competing armed factions among the Sunni Arab population, not to mention Kurd and Shiite rebel groups seeking to break away from any ruler in Baghdad. This could lead the United States into a bloody counterinsurgency war. Without the support of other countries or the United Nations, a U.S. invasion could leave American forces effectively alone enforcing a peace amidst the chaos of a post-Saddam Iraq.

    Almost five years later, sadly, this seems most prophetic.

  26. Robby was amusing for a little while, but his inability to figure out how to remove himself from comment notifications verifies that he’s the only moron around here.

    As though his rantings weren’t indicative enough…

  27. I don’t feel safer either. I also don’t look at as a part of the war an terror. It’s a separate matter all together from our search for terrorist. He was a dictator that needed put is his place.

  28. I agree Saddam needed put in his place, Timmeh, but not everything that needs doing is practical to do.  There are a lot of dictators like him.  Too many for us to go fix all the countries they run.

  29. I just heard Shrub saying: One day this war will end as all wars do.
    I’m sure I recall, it’d have to be a few years ago now, his landing an aeroplane on an aircraft thingy saying: Mission accomplished.

    Robert Mugabe is a bit of an arse-hole. In the past he’s taken farms from whites and given them to blacks. His latest is telling international companies who have offices there that Zimbabwe wants 51% of their company or is that branch office?
    I wonder how that’s gonna pan out with the likes of a hit list which might include BP, Unilever, British American Tobacco and the Standard Chartered and Barclays banks.
    Isn’t it a pity there’s no oil there?
    Shrub woulda been there, flash as a rat with a gold tooth, saving the population from Mugabe.

  30. I was hoping this was going to help me understand “Blind Patriotism” but i still cant completely grasp the definition of it. I found a link to this on google. Im learning about political views and trying to figure out what my political view may be, so i must know about blind patriotism. Everywhere i go in search of the answer just leads me to another question. Im starting to think that our government type was not thought through at all when we decided to be like this. Because there are no straight answers to any part of it. Im also thinking there will never be an ‘understanding’ for me. =/ I need something moor than this. Something deeper. Any suggestions for my clueless young mind? If so, you can send me an e-mail to “bassoonist2014@yahoo.com”
    no caps or spaces.

  31. Im also thinking there will never be an ‘understanding’ for me. =/
    I need something moor than this. Something deeper.

    Not in time for a test, most likely. However, if you want to know the answer and you like thinking about stuff, eventually you’ll invent a pretty good one and that becomes your position. This tends to happen the most when you’re really relaxed, like when you use the bathroom in the morning.

    For me, “blind patriotism” means believing in being a patriot without thinking about what “being a patriot” means. The fact that you want an understanding of something deeper suggests you’re on a good path to avoiding “blind patriotism”.

  32. Blind patriotism is to real patriotism what public relations is to proper management.  It’s the difference between sputtering “We have the best company in the world!” and hiring people who will make sure the company pension is well-protected, the products deliver on their advertised promises, that employees have input in decisions, etc.  It’s the difference between yammering about flag pins and making sure the ideals the flag represents are not trampled by people who yammer about flag pins.

    Oh hell, just watch an hour of FOX news and then watch The News Hour with Jim Lehrer. I can’t think of two better examples than that.

  33. Blind Patriotism is supporting any invasion, without engaging critical thinking.

    Note Critical thinking doent mean you are against it, but rather you have looked at the issues and have come to an informed decision. Blind Patriotism is the opposite supporting any action taken by your country no matter what.

  34. These first two paragraphs are to the pinheads who condemned the way I-wrote the words on my site & didn’t bother to actually read them… Yeah… Soon anyone writing in CAPS & COLOURS will-be banned…

    From ‘OUR’ internet…

    ###########################################

    The original Saidi-born Osama Bin-Laden was quietly assassinated by CIA on the orders of then then VP George (Ex-CIA Director) Bush in the mid-80’s & a switch was made with a swarthy Australian-born man of Dutch descent named “PETER WILLIAM VANSTONE”…

    You can see CIA playing on people’s gullibility & even stupidity & deliberately confusing their furry little minds & short-term attention-spans with the idiotic half-lookalike pictures of a man with a far brouder face & nose on the last two videos… Some of the Yanks MUST know what’s been going-on but are living in Gestapo-central… Anyway… The rest is an open letter to all average people…

    ###############################################

    To all those once reasonable American people who now help their government which is illegally helping the criminals in Washington commit state treason…

    According to the slowly dying blurb from a passing generation some of you are still looking for the passenger’s from the 911 plane’s are you…? Well some people are still looking for the MIA’s from Vietnam too aren’t you…! As someone who had a series of intense personal discussions with Bush-Senior going back to 1961 I-can give you my very very-very very-very very very-very (Sigh) very-very very factual third-hand educated & very-very (sic) informed guess is that unless you’re literally using a submersible & scouring the deep water in the South China Sea you’re not going to be very successful…

    (After I’d heard what Bush said was done to these many men involved in the ‘AIR AMERICA’ charade who had their last thoughts from 10.000 ft on what they thought would be their stateside trip back to some sort of normalcy I-used to wonder what their last thoughts would have been… I-was still a child at that time & used to think things through…)

    That said & slightly changing the subject I-wonder if those among you who are eternally naive & full of genuine hopeful hope are some of those same short-sighted people who are currently helping to hide the FACT that the original OSAMA was quietly assassinated by CIA under Whitehouse (VP) orders in the mid-80’s… Have ANY of you really thought things through for real…?

    Helping the Whitehouse cover-up the replacement of the original Saudi-born OSAMA may keep you in the good books… Covering-up “OSAMA’S REPLACEMENT” with his Australian-born near-perfect lookalike “PETER WILLIAM VANSTONE” may give you reason to hope that this 400-year old cache of big-money will keep their word to you but that’s just not what they do…

    This group of spiritually satanic & thoroughly feral dirty political crooks & human Satan’s who first came to note in the latter 1600’s when they took over the top four levels of Masonry & are known as “JACOBEAN ZIONISTS” may have hypnotised threatened or brainwashed you to think that for some reason they will go against their satanic nature’s & will for some reason genuinely be true to you & look after you but aren’t you kidding yourselves…?

    Isn’t it just as likely they’ll screw you too…?

    There’s supposed to be some 2.000.000 Safe Places in a shelter somewhere under the Arizona desert for you in the Lodge who freely choose to obey them & maybe your treason is almost understandable when your families are considered…? But really… Are you thinking straight…?

    What if that’s a lie & the money & resource were skilfully diverted to some undersea shelter for the ‘HAVE MORE’S’ that Bush mentioned & what you’d planned to do to the rest of America was instead going to be done to you…? Please think before it’s too late…

    Can you begin to imagine what it would be like hiding down there after 5.000.000.000 angry souls were elevated to ‘GODHOOD’ in one single satanic day & they all then focussed their collective anger on all of those who survived… The living will envy the dead…

    PS: My name is Robby Daniel…

  35. I see someone’s figured out how to mix caffeine with his meth and mescaline.

  36. Well, Robby has certainly figured out the “blind” part. I think he’s trying to dispel the “patriot” part. According to his conspiracy theory, the wealthy people who really run the world may not be totally honest. IMAGINE THAT! Did you ever read, “A People’s History of The United States 1492 – Present,” by Howard Zinn? Just maybe, this is not the first time our glorious leaders have not been totally honest?  wink  snake

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