BattleCry 2006: Recruiting Christian youth for a religious war tomorrow.

Go read the three columns submitted to Truthdig by Sunsara Taylor on her experiences attending the three day Christian evangelical youth movement known as BattleCry:

If you’ve been waiting to get alarmed until the Christian fascist movement started filling stadiums with young people and hyping them up to do battle in “God’s army,” wait no longer.

In recent weeks, BattleCry, a Christian fundamentalist youth movement, has attracted more than 25,000 people to mega-rally rock concerts in San Francisco and Detroit, and this weekend it plans to fill Wachovia Stadium in Philadelphia.

The leaders of BattleCry claim that their religion and values are under attack, but amid spectacular light shows, Hummers, Navy SEALs and military imagery on stage, it is BattleCry that has declared war on everyone else. Its leader, Ron Luce, insists: “This is war. And Jesus invites us to get into the action, telling us that the violent—the ‘forceful’ ones—will lay hold of the kingdom.”

Here’s page 2 and page 3 and I highly suggest you read them all. It’ll probably scare the shit out of you.

There is a definite attempt taking place by the Christian Evangelicals to get ‘em while their young and get them ready to literally shed blood in the fight to turn America into a theocracy. This is where we’re going to see the next round of domestic terrorism come forth and our President is fully behind the effort all the way:

This was the letter that opened the event. Its author was George W. Bush.  Yes, the president of the United States sent a letter of support, greeting, prayer and encouragement to the BattleCry event held at Wachovia Spectrum Stadium in Philadelphia on May 12. Immediately afterward, a preacher took the microphone and led the crowd in prayer. Among other things, he asked the attendees to “Thank God for giving us George Bush.”

On his cue, about 17,000 youths from upward of 2,000 churches across America and Canada directed their thanks heavenward in unison.

Throughout the three and a half hours of BattleCry’s first session, I thought of only one analogy that fit the experience: This must have been what it felt like to watch the Hitler Youth, filled with self-righteous pride, proclaim the supremacy of their beliefs and their willingness to shed blood for them.

You’d like to think this kind of shit can’t happen in America, but there’s no reason it can’t. Who’s to say that someday this country will be the one all the other countries are banding together to defeat? If these people have their way that day may come sooner than later.

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244 thoughts on “BattleCry 2006: Recruiting Christian youth for a religious war tomorrow.

  1. Sexy Sadie:

    Even if the entire Bible were to be refuted, True Believers wouldn’t hear a word of it. Indeed, parts of the Bible have been proven scientifically inaccurate (i.e. the age of the Earth), yet you don’t see Young Earth Creationists changing their beliefs to fit the facts.

    Admittedly, if the entire Bible were to be refuted, I’d probably still be a long while in coming around. I’d be praying something like:
      “God, surely this must be some gross misunderstanding. Please, show me how this proof can’t be true!” If no answer came, I’d still wonder if the “proof” itself wasn’t some test from the Almighty Himself a la Abraham with his son Isaac.
      Trust me folks, I have nothing but respect for athiests (even more so since coming to this board), and have my own share of times when I wonder if I’m just whacko.
      I even contemplated praying to God: “God, if the whole Chritianity thing is just a hoax, would you make that evident to me.” Hows that for nuts?
      Even despite those moments, something still whispers to me that I’ve connected with God. On top of that inner sense, I’d have to discount countless things I’ve experienced in the last three years as “coincidence” to entertain unbelief.
      Hopeless fool? Maybe. I wouldn’t want anyone to come to a useless faith. Y’all have probbly heard this before, but in my personal experience, faith does come before external confirmation. I love the example my pastor used. In one of the “Raiders of the Lost Ark” movies, the main character must literally step out on to thin air (to a stepping stone that he has been told IS THERE, despite it’s invvisibility). In the movie, each step he takes in to the invisible is rewarded with solid purchase on a step that becomes visible – but not until he takes the potentially fatal step.
      Out of curiousity, has anyone here ever prayed something like, “God, if Jesus really is you, and Christ really is the way, could you send me some sign?” Just wondering.

  2. L4T: Out of curiousity, has anyone here ever prayed something like, “God, if Jesus really is you, and Christ really is the way, could you send me some sign?

  3. has anyone here ever prayed

    Sure and I don’t recall ever getting any ‘proof’ other than staying alive but, shit, heaps of non-believers stay alive too so, that’s no proof of any invisible alien, is it?
    Do bad things happen to good people? We all know they do, don’t we.
    If you’re really paranoid you’d think god was getting even for some major/minor transgression – if you weren’t paranoid you’d just realise that, Shit Happens.
    But, what’s praying got to do with the existence of invisible beings? One could just as well be talking to oneself; to concentrate the strength to keep going.

    Frank Sinatra: Basically, I’m for anything that gets you through the night – be it prayer, tranquilizers or a bottle of Jack Daniels.

    LOL

  4. LuckyJohn: Sure and I don’t recall ever getting any ‘proof’ other than staying alive…

    Well, you can tell by the way you use your walk, you’re a woman’s man: no time for talk. LOL

  5. Out of curiousity, has anyone here ever prayed something like, “God, if Jesus really is you, and Christ really is the way, could you send me some sign?

  6. S-Sadie: you can tell by the way you use your walk, you’re a woman’s man: no time for talk.

    Ah, ha, ha, ha, Stayin’ alive. Stayin’ alive.
    It took more than a while. LOL

    Zilch: L4t, that means that God says it’s your responsibility to convert me.
    Jesus. I don’t envy you. (mis-quoted)

    LOL

  7. our culture still tends to paint faith as more important than knowledge.

    For that matter, why is religious faith considered a virtue?

  8. Elwed, I have no idea. Probably because wishful thinking loves company.

    It just occurred to me that it wasn’t Raiders of the Lost Ark that had Indy’s leap of faith in it, but the third movie, Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, wherein they’re chasing the Holy Grail.

    It’s interesting to note that all of the religious clues in the story were planted in order to get past very real obstacles as opposed to miraculous traps. In fact the only supernatural elements in the film are at the end with the still-living King Arthur guarding the cup, the water from it healing Indy’s father and washing away the bullet wound, and the earthquake caused by trying to leave with it. Everything else, improbable as it may have been, was totally secular in origin up to that point despite the fact that it often appeared supernatural.

  9. Psychomorbidus wrote:

    The best belief system to have is your own.

    So what happens when your beliefs conflict with someone else’s? Who gets the right of way?

  10. Zilch wrote:

    L4t, you piqued my curiosity, so I just now prayed “God, did you send L4t to bring me to Jesus?  If so, make this coin flip come up heads

  11. since Psycho was in agreement with me, I think I’ll step in and say my own personal piece, and he/she can say as it pleases them.

    who gets the right of way in who has conflicting beliefs? He who has more power. It’s not a matter of right and wrong, just a reality of the procession. Bush did a lot of shit “wrong”, including leading to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people and perpetuating a massive lie, and he’s enjoyed a lengthly 6 years in office and counting.

    The rub behind adopting this as a social tool, as I see it, is in raising oneanother to empower ourselves. Many people are not personally independent, yet nor do they see the advantage in cooperation. As a rule I tend to be paranoid, but the reality is, once you’re in with me, you’re in and I’ll help in whatever ways I can.

    I’m curious, L4T, why’d you think the possibility of conflicting beliefs was important?

  12. I’m curious, L4T, why’d you think the possibility of conflicting beliefs was important?

    To demonstrate that most people have a set of beliefs that they hold dear. Then the question becomes: Where did we get our sense of values? As you might guess, I’m going to suggest that our shared value system comes from God. If athiests believe there is no god, and thus no final  set of moral imperatives, how do they settle disputes? I don’t see any other solution than “survival of the fittest?”

  13. and found that many of you have not stated that your athiest position is necesarily fixed/permanent.

    To paraphrase somebody from another forum: I can believe that controlling aliens exist. I could be convinced that a creator exists. Nothing will convince me that the god of any religion could possibly exist.

    As opposed to Les, I ditched my religious beliefs, if there ever were any, during second or third grade. After having had a few decades since to think things over, I am as certain as I can be that I won’t catch religion. Short of a personality changing accident or illness, but then it wouldn’t be me…

  14. L4T: I’m going to suggest that our shared value system comes from God.

    I seem to recall that adherents of other religions have conflicting claims…

    If athiests believe there is no god, and thus no final set of moral imperatives, how do they settle disputes?

    Same as everybody else, of course.

    Do you know the right answer to every moral dilemma, conceivable or not? Can you list the moral axioms and rules handed to you from your deity and show how your answers are derived from these? Will these answers be consistent and cohere with the world out there?

    Here’s something for you to chew on:

    “The only absolute truth is change, and death is the only way to stop change. Life is a series of judgements on changing situations, and no ideal, no belief fits every solution. Yet humans need to believe in something beyond themselves. Perhaps all intelligences do. If we do not act on higher motivations, then we can justify any action, no matter how horrible, as necessary for our survival. We are endlessly caught between the need for high moral absolutes – which will fail enough that any absolute can be demonstrated as false – and our tendency for individual judgements to degenerate into self-gratifying and unethical narcissm. Trying to force absolutes on others results in death and destruction, yet failing to act beyond one’s self also leads to death and destruction, generally a lot sooner

  15. …your scenario assumes that God must answer the prayer request within your specific rules of “how the answer must come.

  16. Here’s where I’d like to slide in the notion of fitness, L4T, and where I disagree with Elwed’s posted quote, above.

    Of course I can justify any action for my own survival – after all, if I die, what do I have left? It should only seem fitting that a God exist, or an afterlife, to limit (and equate) the value of human life. But lets face it, if my life is so endangered that I have to kill everyone in the world to save myself, I’ll gladly place bets that I’ll never get around to wiping out the whole human race. It’s a natural balance of power, although cradled very loosely. In general, it makes more sense and takes less effort to conform to your society and to play the slave of some man so that you are NOT so endangered. Just the consequence of working together, playing a role in a society, that prevents us from those extremes most often. In that way, “fitness” is still displayed (see, it’s not so bad, is it?).

    Unless that counts as believing in something beyond myself (society, which I use for my own welfare), I don’t think there’s a need for such beliefs, ethical or otherwise.

    I have to admit, though, all this depends on our ability to assess our place in such a world. That’s my catch-all, and you can grill me for it all you like. What I said at the beginning about my life being everything? Try telling that to the suicidal.

  17. Do you know how much energy it takes for a kangaroo to jump as high and as far as they do? Did you know that if you add it up for each and every jump, you’ll find that kangaroos can’t exist? There’s just no way for them to satisfy their energy demands.

    Elwed, as you’ve probably heard, bumblebees can’t fly either.  So God must exist, to power up the kangaroos and bumblebees.  But that’s all He does.  Oh wait- He holds the protons and neutrons together in atomic nuclei too- Jack Chick told me so.  But that’s really it.

  18. Sorry, I just remembered- God put together the bacterial flagellum.  Behe said so.  I can’t think of anything else He did.

  19. Zilch: Oh yeah- He knocked up Mary. But that’s really it.

    This one always amused me. Can you imaging it happening today – a girl comes back from the back paddock and says God’s fucked her and she asks her Dad: D’ya think I’m still a virgin?
    Yeah. LOL

  20. I don’t know if L4t is still out there, but I couldn’t let this go:

    On another note, I wonder if typical drive-by fundies here consider that Les may just be going to heaven despite his rants? The OSAS (once saved always saved) position would require this.

    Why didn’t anyone ever tell me about OSAS?  It’s like a bargain basement version of Pascal’s Wager.  Does that mean I could accept Christ, and backslide the very next day, and for the rest of my life wallow in the joys of atheistic partying and sinning, and still go to Heaven?  Where do I sign up?

  21. Zilch asked:

    Where do I sign up?

    Say something like:
    “Jesus, I admit I am a sinner, and I accept your sacrifice on the cross for my sins.”
      Of course, only God knows the sincerity of your statement.

    Does that mean I could accept Christ, and backslide the very next day, and for the rest of my life wallow in the joys of atheistic partying and sinning, and still go to Heaven?

    The apostle Paul addressed this very question in Romans 6: 15-23

    15What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means! 16Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone to obey him as slaves, you are slaves to the one whom you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness? 17But thanks be to God that, though you used to be slaves to sin, you wholeheartedly obeyed the form of teaching to which you were entrusted. 18You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness.

    19I put this in human terms because you are weak in your natural selves. Just as you used to offer the parts of your body in slavery to impurity and to ever-increasing wickedness, so now offer them in slavery to righteousness leading to holiness. 20When you were slaves to sin, you were free from the control of righteousness. 21What benefit did you reap at that time from the things you are now ashamed of? Those things result in death! 22But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves to God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life. 23For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

    As you might imagine, the OSAS vs. OSNAS (Once saved not always saved) is a huge debate amongst Christians themselves. I very much lean toward the OSAS side, but there’s plenty of scripture for both sides.
      The debate often takes the form of “Well, if a person backslides that intensely, were they ever really saved to begin with?” Like I say, only God knows one’s heart.
    Tom

  22. Where do I sign up?

    First, listen to Erste Allgemeine Verunsicherung, S’Muaterl

    Sieht sie im Fernseh`n daheim die Schreckensbilder
    nur von Hunger, Elent, Not und Tod,
    dann bedauert Sie den Herrgott immer wieder,
    dass er im Himmel kann`Farbfernseher hot !!!

  23. Oh Lord, won’t you buy me
    A color tv…  Janis Joplin

    Oh Lord! Cut me down to size
    Give me back my innocence
    Get me a new Cadillac
    Cause when I get on up to heaven Lord
    You can have it all back
    Cause in heaven, you get it all back
    In heaven it all comes back…  Laurie Anderson

  24. Oh, almighty Les, who doth impress us with CSS, there be an unclosed tag, remarked by gaggingly bad poetry.

  25. I think I’ll join in the fun:

    Well, I’ve never been to heaven,
    But I’ve been to Oklahoma

    Or how about this one?

    If you believe in forever,
    Then life is just a one-night stand.
    If there’s a rock-and-roll heaven
    Well you know they’ve got a hell of a band
    .

    And lest we forget, according to Belinda Carlisle heaven is a place on Earth. Now all we have to do is find it.  grin

  26. And lest we forget, according to Belinda Carlisle heaven is a place on Earth. Now all we have to do is find it.

    Sadie, Heaven is wherever you are…..

  27. I just click on the “Smileys” link directly under the Post a Comment text. The link can be temperamental, but it usually works.

    Voila! smile

    P.S. Les, I was going to comment on the “bold” tag being left open, but then I noticed Arc Legion’s note and realized that I couldn’t possibly put it so eloquently.

  28. If athiests believe there is no god, and thus no final set of moral imperatives, how do they settle disputes? I don’t see any other solution than “survival of the fittest?

  29. Geeze, KPatrick, would you leave your wife and move in with Sadie already! – Just a reminder that others are reading this site too; not just Sadie.

    You damn heteros and your unnatural urges. The good Lord should slap you out of your muscle tees and double D’s!

    Wow, it feels exciting as hell to be a bigot. I never realized…

    smile  tongue laugh raspberry

    (Hope you guys can appreciate all the Little Smiley Face God Icons I had to use to soften up those statements)

  30. Brock: KPatrick, would you leave your wife and move in with Sadie already

    Now that would be groovy. Our apartment, as of 2002, is officially rat-free! Plus, KPG knows how to charm a girl, I’ll say that much…

    KPG: Sadie would probably enjoy watching…..

    Do the words “multiple orgasms” mean anything to you? big surprise

    Okay, Les, I’ll stop now…on this thread. wink

  31. Brock: (Hope you guys can appreciate all the Little Smiley Face God Icons I had to use to soften up those statements)

    I can hear someone somewhere suggesting: Don’t go soft on me Brock! LOL

  32. I could hit on you if you prefer, Brock

    Sounds extremely fair and all but I have to warn you: My avatar isn’t of me either.

    OK guys, seriously, I think the girl Sadie is using for an avatar is cute as hell too. I just realize she’s a stranger I’m never likely to meet to tell how attractive she is. Not unless I could travel through time and space to find her. And even if I could do that, I’d end up giving her these messages from all you randy boys instead. But… I probably would ask her if she had a brother, so I’m just a tactless horn-dog too grin

  33. OK guys, seriously, I think the girl Sadie is using for an avatar is cute as hell too.

    Just for the record, it’s not the avatar (that I know isn’t her) that leads me to flirt with Sadie. It’s the charm, wit and intelligence she shows in her posts that does it for me.

  34. I can hear someone somewhere suggesting: Don’t go soft on me Brock!

    I know and I’m so ashamed.

  35. Now that would be groovy. Our apartment, as of 2002, is officially rat-free! Plus, KPG knows how to charm a girl, I’ll say that much…

    Could a bring my wife? She knows how to charm a girl, too…..

  36. Just for the record, it’s not the avatar (that I know isn’t her) that leads me to flirt with Sadie. It’s the charm, wit and intelligence she shows in her posts that does it for me.

    Does she have an email address?  LOL

    I’d better stop now; I’m gonna have every reader on this site hating me.

    PS, I agree that our Sadie has a good “head”.

  37. I gotta give it to KPG and Sadie.. they got good chemistry here. It’s nice to read – brings a smile to my face after a day of work.

    You guys should get your own thread raspberry. Course, this is a public forum – nothing stopping us all from partaking, is there?

  38. KPG: Could a bring my wife? She knows how to charm a girl, too…..

    Sure thing. I’m into chicks as well. smile

    arc legion: You guys should get your own thread

    Les already has a “Proselytize Here So It Won’t Be Off-Topic Elsewhere” thread. We really ought to consider a “Flirt Here To Your Hearts’ Content” thread.

  39. Sadie: Sure thing. I’m into chicks as well.

    Do you have a bed big enough for all four of us?

    cheese

    I gotta give it to KPG and Sadie.. they got good chemistry here.

    Thank you, sir. We’re the Stupid Evil Hepburn & Tracy….

    smirk

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