Creationists seem to be in charge here

Just stumbled across this site while looking for something else, but it looks quite interesting. Thought you folks might like to hear some interesting news from the Inaugural AHA (American Humanist Assoc) summit last week.

(Here is a link with an overview of the summit:

Any way, some interesting things were reported by Barry Lynn of Americans United for Separation of Church and State:

  • 65% of Americans believe that the Earth is only 6,000 years old.
  • the school board decision to place stickers on Pennsylvania school biology textbooks calling evolution only a theory was recently overturned by the judge ruling on the case on the grounds of being religiously motivated. At the same time, however, the Dover school district decided that Intelligent Design is to be taught alongside evolution in books such as Of Pandas and People.
  • He mentioned that when he invited the National Association of Biology Teachers to talk about creationism in schools, few teachers showed up, and those who did said that they had hoped no one else from their school would see them at the meeting (since the creationists have become so politically threatening).

…and so it goes.

45 thoughts on “Creationists seem to be in charge here

  1. Hey, I don’t really want to argue, but I would like to understand more about what Athiest believe, especially about the origin of, well, everything.

    Anyway here is a quote from Charles Darwin :
      “To suppose that the eye with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberrations, could have been formed by natural selection,seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree.”

    From what I have read, Darwin said these words at the end of his life and he apparently regretted some of his earlier writings. It seems he came to profess at least some form of a creator.

    How do athiest respond to this?

  2. Alzheimer’s maybe.

    He was right most of his life. He was dying and he freaked out. Regrettable, but it doesn’t mmake much of a difference. We didn’t believe his earlier assertions because it was him who made them, we believe them because they make sense and the mountains of evidence all point in that direction.

  3. There are 2 ways to read that quote above.

    Some read it and think.. since it is absurd, it is impossible.

    of course, a kind , loving , all powerful God who condems most, if not all people, to an eternity of punishment for some finite misdeeds..  that makes perfect sense.

  4. Oh please, not this stupid question again. Obviously Tracy has read up on the popular Creationist bullshit without actually reading anything by Darwin himself. OK, I’m game. Here’s how I respond to your question, Tracy: Put down your Creationist propaganda books and go read The Origin of Species for yourself. Careful, though, you might end up learning something!

    First off, the quote you’re referencing isn’t anything Darwin said on his death bed nor was it anything to do with regret over his previous writings. It appears right in his landmark book in Chapter 6 subtitled Difficulties on Theory.

    Secondly, it’s a partial quote taken out of context to give the appearance that Darwin is admitting something he is not. Allow me to provide you with the education your Creationists books appear to have left out with regards to this quotation in its full context:

      “To suppose that the eye with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light, and for the correction of Spherical and chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree. When it was first said that the sun stood still and the world turned round, the common sense of mankind declared the doctrine false; but the old saying of Vox populi, vox Dei [“the voice of the people = the voice of God “], as every philosopher knows, cannot be trusted in science. Reason tells me, that if numerous gradations from a simple and imperfect eye to one complex and perfect can be shown to exist, each grade being useful to its possessor, as is certain the case; if further, the eye ever varies and the variations be inherited, as is likewise certainly the case; and if such variations should be useful to any animal under changing conditions of life, then the difficulty of believing that a perfect and complex eye could be formed by natural selection, should not be considered as subversive of the theory.”

    Darwin then goes on to provide examples of this graduation in eye complexity which shows amazing insight (if you’ll pardon the pun) for the time period.

    Seriously, if you want to challenge us at least have a passing familiarity with the subject of your queries that isn’t derived from a pro-Creationist book. Before you even ask another question you should sit down with a modern book on Evolution written by SCIENTISTS and not APOLOGISTS and study up before you make yourself look like an idiot for a second time.

  5. Hey, there’s no need to be so defensive.  Like I said, I don’t want to argue, just seeking.  I really want to know about your view of this.  You have completed the question.  I know first hand how things are taken out if context and uesd to promote whatever you want it to.  I did read that quote in some creation pamplet, or something.  I cut it out & have it from a while back.  Thanks for the rest of the quote, I had not heard it.  Do wish you weren’t so mean though.

  6. Hey, again.  Sorry for the gramatical errors.  I’m doing several things at one time.  Please don’t make fun of me. Thanks

  7. I’m mean because I’m tired of being asked the same stupid question over and over again by people too ignorant and lazy to bother checking into the reality of the situation for themselves. What is it going to take to get you people to put down the Creationist crap and pick up a real science book and do a little reading? Or a decent history book or biography for crying out loud.

    It’s not hard to pick up this knowledge, but if you’re going to insist on remaining ignorant then don’t expect people who do have a friggin’ clue to treat you as anything other than the uneducated thumb sucker you appear to be.

  8. Okay, you exposed me as a simpleton.  But, I bet you really sucked at kickball in gradeschool.

  9. If I saw Les wielding a dodgeball in gradeschool I’d run… Run for my life. Hell if I saw him just looking at me I’d probably run.

  10. This charming and ever-recurring myth of Darwin’s deathbed recantation reveals the prestige science (or at least what scientists believe) still commands even among the fundamentalists.  If Darwin, construed as the arch-atheist, can be pictured as having had doubts about evolution, then its seductive power is largely defused in their God-created eyes.  Never mind that the truth or falsity of evolution has nothing to do with Darwin’s personal beliefs; but then again, differentiating between belief and logic is not a long suit of the fundamentalists.

    The need that begot this myth- “what if, despite all the Bible tells me, science is right?” is the complement to the nagging doubt some atheists have- “what if, despite all reason tells me, the Bible is right?”  It would be interesting to know if this deathbed recantation was consciously fabricated out of the whole cloth, or whether it evolved from various bits and pieces kicking around the religion memeplex, under the unconscious selective pressure of fear and desire.  Probably some of both, much like the Bible, and the Koran, the Zendavesta, etc., themselves.

    And Les- I agree.  Kickball was boring.  Dodgeball was a real sport, requiring lightning reflexes and sophisticated psyching out, and I was pretty good at it too.

  11. Laugh! Dodgeball! Now that’s Darwinism in a nutshell!!!

    Tracy, the truth is that when the genome was first sequenced, it not only revealed the blueprint for the organism in question, it also revealed that organism’s evolutionary path and it’s relationship to other organisms.

    This was kept subdued for obvious reasons…. The people who put the “mental” in fundamental would’ve cried outrage and and effectively crippled further research.

    You should instead question why creationists feel the need to take qoutes/facts out of context and misrepresent their own views so as to appear “scientific”. If creationism is valid then present the research. Subject it to peer review, test it, use it to make hypotheses, predictions, etc. It seems the creationists can do nothing more than sit on the sidelines and throw stones….

    The irony is that creationists turn to science at the first sign of trouble…. Given a diagnosis of cancer they acknowledge that science is far more effective than a laying on of hands….. Those that don’t experience their own Darwinian event.

  12. Dodgeball as a metaphor for evolution- nice observation, mrk421. “Hey, you- out of the gene pool!”

    Taking quotes out of context is par for the course for fundies.  Years ago a friend of mine fell into the clutches of the Moonies, and she admitted to me (long before it became public) that they lied about non-existent drug rehab programs to solicit donations.  Their term for this? “Divine deception”.  Of course, that just proves that Sun Myung Moon is the tool of the Devil.  Christians would never resort to deceit or distortion to con the marks, er, save the heathens.

    All’s fair in love, war, and religion, as long as you get to define for yourself what “fair” means.

  13. Agreed ziltch, I think it was Twain who said, “Get your facts first and then distort them as much as you please.”

    But I honestly don’t feel too threatened by the fundies. The universe is what it is. It doesn’t look to us for approval. Because of this I think reason and rational thought are naturally favored and will be the ultimate means of acquiring knowledge. Belief is self-stroking and anchored in nothing more than itself.

    It’s taken centuries, but the genie’s out of the bottle. (Barbara Eden = babe).

  14. Dodgeball as a metaphor for evolution- nice observation, mrk421. “Hey, you- out of the gene pool!

  15. It’s not the sort of book that’ll keep you up at night turning pages because you can’t bring yourself to put it down if that’s what you mean, but otherwise I think it’s pretty decent. The above (mis)quote should give you a pretty good feeling on the style of the book. It’s not so technical that a layman will have trouble following it. It can be surprising to realize how much of the basic theory he puts forth still holds up well today and it does well as a starting point for learning more about Evolution in addition to its historical significance.

  16. I loved dogeball as a kid.  It has been removed from schools in Canada along with many other slightly violent games as usuall because someone might get hurt.  I would prefer my kids learned that life is hard ealry and one of those red balls to the face lets you know you’re alive.  i like the sound of the german variation sounds sort of like a militry (medics) kind of twist.

      I wonder if there is an adult dodgeball pickup game in town in the evenings??????

  17. Several things to add.

    1) Teaching of creationism in school:
    I thinking of something different with regards to this issue. Perhaps creationism could be taught in school. Not taught as science per se but what is NOT science. It should be taught in a chapter that includes how to do your own research and how not to get suck up in pseudo science such as “crystal therapy” or similar forms of unproven alternative traditional treatments.

    Science is a huge subject. Many people following high school science may just take some science modules rather than a degree or not. And even if one is say a professor of physics he may not have full knowledge outside his field say in biology or chemistry.

    Therefore there is a need to teach people how to separate fact from fiction when one perhaps lack the background or science in that particular area.

    Creationism is taught but students are graded at least for that chapter on how they debunk it. Identifying false or illogical argument or researching and coming out with facts to counter certain creationist claims.

    Furthermore, creationist cannot complain that intelligent design or creationsim is not taught in school…

    Hmm I wonder if say someone ran for political office of a school board vowing to the fundamentalist to teach creationism but introduces the above, is he considered as breaking or keeping his promises?

    2) Violent Games
    This is obviously a separate topic but I have to say that I do not see the need to teach character through violent games. At least with football or perhaps ice hockey the object is not to inflict violence. Alright I admit I have never played dodgeball although from the name I gather you just try to throw balls at people and they avoid them?

    Getting hit by a ball does not teach you life is hard, it just teaches them that getting hit hardly by a ball is painful.

    Teach them about life. Tell them that if they do not study hard they may have trouble getting a job as manufacturing jobs are sent to places that can produce more efficiently. Tell them that studying hard is also no panacea as people too are educated overseas. One has to develop both to be able to make it. Well at least for me, the scary talk from my dad when I was a kid was about education and how one’s prospect can be severely limited. A lawyer can still paint his paintings but a painter cannot be a lawyer, so as to speak. I guess I started putting in a lot more effort in school growing up the moment I stop seeing at merely as results per se but rather as steps to make money, to get a good job.

  18. Part of the final exam of a paleo course I took at UC Berkeley was to debunk a Chick tract.  It was lots of fun and a good test, not only of our knowledge of the subject, but of how to deal with arguments so faulty they aren’t even wrong.

    Alright I admit I have never played dodgeball although from the name I gather you just try to throw balls at people and they avoid them?

    If you had ever played dodgeball, Pop Tarts, you would not have said “just”.

    And ingolfson, I’ll go along with what Les said about the Origin- a bit stodgy, but carefully thought out and put together.  BTW, the first translation of it was into German, which Darwin insisted on copyreading, though he understood next to nothing of the language.  Scientists in Germany were some of the first avid fans of Darwin.

  19. I have another question/point.  When all is said and done, it seems that evolution is requiring some faith in the original protoplasm, or whatever that developed into all that we see now.  Where did that original protoplasm come from?  It’s just the same as having no proof there is a God- because where did he come from?  They both require faith and both sound like a religion to me.  I really love dodgeball, but not the movie, it was kinda lame.

  20. I wonder what the Creationists would think if a group of Hindus insisted their version of creation be taught in schools?  Otherwise, the schools would be favoring Christianity over other religions, and that’s goes against that naughty Constitution.  I can see it now:

    “Okay class, we’ve covered Darwin, we’ve covered how God made the world and Adam and Eve and all that, now we’re going to discuss how a giant turtle floating on his back in a sea of milk with a mountain on his belly, encircled by a snake pulled at both ends by many gods, created the universe.”

    I’m not knocking Hinduism, mind you, and I don’t think I have the story right, but you get my point: if Creationists insist that schoolkids get all the “facts”, then I think the snake/turtle/milk story should be taught too!  There are quite a few Hindus in America, after all.

    Me, I think a giant purple flying lettuce from Neptune created the universe.  What?  They don’t teach that in schools?  I’m being oppressed, help help!

    —Joe grin

  21. Tracy, did you go off and read at least one recent book on the Theory of Evolution as I instructed you to? Based on your question I’m assuming you haven’t. Are you just a glutton for punishment or what? Go read something by real scientists about the topic and then come back and ask some questions if you have any. I would recommend The Structure of Evolutionary Theory by Stephen Jay Gould as a good place to start.

  22. It’s a truly frightening prospect to behold that the stupidest country on Earth and the most powerful country on Earth are one and the same. It’s enough to make you weep, really.

  23. Tracy, science is NOT religion. It is the exact opposite of religion. Religion is based on belief. Science is based on observation .

    As for the “original protoplasm”, I could go into a history of nucleosynthesis in the 14 billion years since the big bang but you could learn that yourself through a trip to a bookstore or library. If you live near a University, go sit in on some colloquia (they’re free and entertaining).

    The process is fairly well understood and voyages to other moons/planets are helping us to understand the conditions present on the primitive earth.

    If it all seems mysterious then consider how mysterious it seems that trillions of water molecules know to simultaneously align themselves to form an ice cube at a certain temperature. Does that mean there is an invisible intelligence that flips a switch from “water” over to “ice”? Or does it mean that at some point the motions of the individual water molecules slow down sufficiently that their magnetic moments are able to take over and lock them together….

    Just because we don’t understand something doesn’t mean it isn’t understandable. I think this is the basic point of the quote by Darwin…. If evolution is heresy, think how heretical it is to claim the earth is round or that it orbits the sun – two claims that fly in the face of common everyday experience. But through observation, science overturned belief…. (Though I hear there is still a flat earth society in southern cal)…

  24. Tracy sez:

    have another question/point.  When all is said and done, it seems that evolution is requiring some faith in the original protoplasm, or whatever that developed into all that we see now.  Where did that original protoplasm come from?

    why do you insist on demonstrating that you are willfully ignorant yet again, Tracy?

    The theory of biological evolution has jackshit to do with where the “original protoplasm”, as you refer to it, comes from.  Biological evolution deals with the divergence of species from the original life form(s).  It does not address the origin of life (or the origin of the universe or any of the other shit you ignorant Invisible Sky Daddy worshipers attempt to turn evolution into). 

    The subject of the origin of the first life forms on earth is addressed by theories of abiogenesis.  they are not terribly well-developed at this point in time.  Despite the lack of a developed mature theory of abiogenesis, there is evidence that the components of both modern and ancient life forms can assembly spontaneously form inorganic compounds.  You might try checking on something called the Miller-Urey experiments where it was demonstrated that certain amino acids could self-assemble given specific conditions.  Moreover, it has been demonstrated that nucleic acids—they building blocks of all life on earth—possess catalytic activity in the absence of proteinaceous enzymes.  In other words, nucleic acids can modify themselves via autocatalytic activity in the absence of proteins.  this obviates the need for enzymes (the vast majority of which are proteins) needed to catalyze biochemical reactions within cells and hence takes out a layer of “complexity” that lying evolution-deniers such as yourself typically howl about.  You might try Googling a fellow named Thomas Cech who won a Noble Prize a few years ago to learn about this. 

    Additionally, membranes can self-assemble in nature from simple oils in a manner that leaves an “inside” somewhat protected from the external environment.  This happens when you drop oils into water as the oils/fats are hydrophobic in nature and the oil/fat molecules tend to coalesce and trap a bit of water inside the oil droplet.  These are typically called micelles.  This separation of “inside” vs “outside” is an example of a crucial requirement for any cellular life form seen today and for less simple things that are not typically considered to be “life” like viruses (which do indeed have nucleic acid-based means of carrying genetic information). 

    I could go on and on, but I won’t.  Suffice to say that the few bits of repeatable, evidence-based science leaves upon the possibility that the “original protoplasm” could indeed have come from inorganic components on earth.  These three simplistic pieces of evidence are not “faith-based” and make far more sense than the fairy-tale that 4000+ year-old Jewish goat herders dreamed up around the campfire when they imagined that their Invisible sky daddy picked up a handful of dust and breathed “Life” into it.

    To sum up, Tracy, you have a problem.  You’re ignorant as fuck and you seem to wish to remain that way.

  25. People like to remain ignorant as fuck because they’re happy that way. Moromns stay Morman because they’re happy (though I believe anyone stupid enough to believe Mormonism should be hit on the head with a knife). Christians say Christian because “there is no evidence that there is not a God”. Now, I don’t know about you, but if I have no evedince for OR against something, I’m not going to believe it.

    Creationsm != Science

  26. I have to say, I am astounded by your hospitality.  In researching both sides, with an open mind, I have noticed that Christians are nice at least the first 10 minutes you talk to them.  However, sincerity is a virtue. Hey, I don’t have time to be an expert in everything, but I’ll try.  Off to go researching.  But, I’ll have you know that if you ever need any information on caring for two-toed sloths, don’t come crying to me, you sloth ignorant fuckers. 

    Dr. Tracy (two- toed slothologists and Mrs. Greene’s 3rd grade class dodgeball champion)

  27. Wow thats funny as all get out there. 

    Christians are nice at least the first 10 minutes you talk to them

    its been my experiance on this site that the christians often come on in with blazing hellfire, warning us of our impending doom.
    I dont consider you telling me im going to hell nice.

    Dr. Tracy

    you are an exception.  You didnt come in mean, just uninformed.

    And hey TheBo$$.. what made you think mormonism is worse or less intelligent than any other form of christianity?  The reason other xtians hate them so much is because the believe not only in God.. but that they too will become Gods.

  28. MRK421 said: “It’s taken centuries, but the genie’s out of the bottle. (Barbara Eden = babe)”

    MRK, no one else has addressed this but it’s an important point:  Barbare Eden…. DAAAaaammn!  I mean, you’re talking the top 3 or 4 as far as I’m concerned.

    OK, back to evolution… heh.

  29. Tracy, give me a good reason to be nice to you and I’ll be nice to you. So far all you’ve done is show up and spout off the same tired questions we’ve been hit with time and again here without bothering to even attempt to do a little research on your own or checking the archives to see if we’ve already been over those questions previously.

    If you were the first person to show up and we’d never been asked those questions before then I’d be a helluva lot nicer than I have been, but you’re not and as such you get the benefit of having worn my patience with you dolts to the point that being nice is the least of my concerns.

    As for information on the caring for two-toed sloths, if there should ever be an occasion that I happen to find myself in charge of such a beast and it needed caring for, I can assure you that you would be the last person on the planet I’d bother to ask for advice about it. Instead I’d do what I normally do when I need solid information on a topic: I’d find a good book on the topic and study up.

  30. The Kent Hovind Thread would be a good place for Tracy to start.
    That is actually the first thing I read here at SEB.

  31. I’m with you, les.  Fuck being nice to a bunch of willfully obtuse Jeebofascist fuckwits.  The motherfuckers are dangerous as the fully intend on rolling back modern Western society and the enlightenment and creating a new Dark Ages.

    To hell with them.  They are the enemy and deserve every bit of ridicule they get.  The Jeebofascist American fundies are a far bigger threat to our way of life than Islam or all of the other brown people on Earth that the the fundies have manufactured into a “hey, look over there” enemy/distraction.

  32. I’m with you, les.  Fuck being nice to a bunch of willfully obtuse Jeebofascist fuckwits.  The motherfuckers are dangerous as the fully intend on rolling back modern Western society and the enlightenment and creating a new Dark Ages.

    To hell with them.  They are the enemy…
    – WyldPirate

    I agree no need to be “nice” to believers – niceness is overrated.  Maybe Tracy will get the picture from Les’ obvious ire that they need to do more research before making claims.

    But most likely they don’t intend on rolling back modern Western society and the enlightenment and creating a new dark age.  That would be an unintended consequence.  They’re probably not thinking, “Gee, it would be great to have people living without refrigeration or clean water, and calling exorcists for common illnesses!” 

    More likely they just haven’t thought about it all that much – the implications of supernaturalism vs. human progress.  Or if they have thought about it, they’ve got all their information from sources that twist the facts to promote a specific view. 

    Wet noodle or not, the Hovind thread is a good place to start.  At least it’ll keep ‘em busy for a while.

  33. Barbare Eden…. DAAAaaammn!  I mean, you’re talking the top 3 or 4 as far as I’m concerned.

    DoF- by “Barbare Eden” do you mean “Barbara Eden, as bare as a bear”?  Then I’m with you…

  34. Hello Tracy,

    I recommend reading “Shadows of Forgotten Ancestors” by Carl Sagan.  Sagan (now deceased) was an astronomer and popular science writer who is interested in educating the public on scientific issues.  In this book, he addresses the basic, almost universal, need for humans to have some idea of where they came from.  He talks about how religion filled that roll in the past, and how science has been replacing religion as a tool for exploring human history and development.  “Pale Blue Dot” and “The Dragons of Eden” are also written by Sagan and are along the same lines.

  35. WyldPirate, it’s not so much that I feel I don’t have to be nice to those I disagree with in as much as I was just annoyed at being asked the same silly questions yet again. There are plenty of believers that I’m not only nice to, but great friends with. The Fundamentalists garner the most of my ire, but I can even be nice to them when they’re not being annoying.

  36. Les,

    I suppose I should apologize for my intemperate response to Tracy.  I probably shouldn’t have lowered the boom on him (or maybe her) so quickly, particularly without giving him/her more rope to hang on and without gauging his/her true intentions, but I’ve reached the end of my rope with this sort of willfull ingorance/stupidity from religious folk.  While you are right that some of religious folks are good people.  And like you, I also have friends that are believers.  That doesn’t chance the fact that they are wrong re: creation (from the literal perspective in Genesis and ID).  IT also doesn’t chance the fact that many of them willfully lie in order to maintain their facade of belief.  I think that the many of the worst of these folks are simply terrified that their whole myth would come crashing down in their laps if they faced reality.  Fewer, but more dangerous, are those that have an agenda for perpetrating these lies.

    I’m a microbiologist and I’ve been arguing with deluded Christians for over 10 years on line and longer—particularly with fundies in my family—in person.  I’ve had students who are studying to be biologists come up to me after class and tell me they don’t “believe” in evolution because of the Bible.  I’ve been patient for years and shot down crap like this “original protoplasm”, the conflation of the origin of life with the origin of species.  I’ve corrected the quotes out of context and nearly every other sort of willful, crazed misrepresentation and “little lie to advance the cause of God” that these Jeebofascist fundies come up with.

    These arguments rational folks living in the reality-based world have with the creationists and Id’ists on evolution are not mere disagreements of a philosophical nature.  They are disagreements between people who have facts and evidence supporting the most comprehensive paradigm in all of science versus those that believe in fantasy.  When the creationists and ID morons trot out their chickenshit arguments they should be gang-tackled, ridiculed and have their faces rub in their chickenshit arguments.  If they are willfully lying, they should be called liars.  If they are being willfully obtuse, they should be called stupid fuckwits.  They will neither understand or respect anything else.  Niceness will be perceived as weakness because they have an agenda or because they are intellectual cowards.  Thise with an agenda seek to make people submissive and too cowed to question authority so the grip of the myth of the Invisible Sky Daddy can deepen its roots in society.

    We have seen the fruits of this sort of madness over the last four years with Bush.  He and his handlers have resurrected many of the fears and hatreds and diversions based in the Bible to distract the ignorant sheeple so crimes and murders can be committed to enrich a few.  They simply deny reality or invent their own to suit them just as long as it keeps the sheeple in line and distracts them.  Religion is meant to control people and keep them in line so they chase the imaginary “carrot” at the end of life while they get fucked up the ass by the clergy and those holding power.

    I’m done with their games and being nice to them.  Fuck ‘em.  If they lie and distort in the name of their Invisible Sky Daddy and I see it, then I’m going to go nuclear on ‘em.  It’s time to grow a spine and quit getting steamrolled by the bastards.


    Of course you’re right in that the Jeebofascists may not intend on starting a new Dark Ages, but that could be an unintended consequence.  the problem is that these bastards don’t anticipate consequences as we’ve seen illustrated by Preznit Chimpolean.

  37. So WyldPirate has risen to the level of condeming people to hell, sounds familiar.  Anywho,  Hope you folks have a great existance.  I’ll be signing off now.

    Mrs. & Dr. Tracy (two-toed slothologists)

  38. Tracy sez: “So WyldPirate has risen to the level of condeming people to hell, sounds familiar.”

    No, sorry you superstitious fuckwit.  I’ve not spent my entire live quivering in fear of the ultimate imaginary boogyman neighborhood dreamed up by some two millenia old con artist(s) that wrote Revelation.  I will admit that whomever tied the whole scam of Christianity together dreamed up one of the best con games going.  Their little “carrot and stick” act has been useful in keeping the gullible, stupid and ignorant sheeple in line for centuries with the added benefit of conning them out of mountains of coin.  Of course they likely did that by ripping off the Jewish concept of Gehenna  and mangling Jewish tradition and/or using a mangled translations from Greek, Latin or Hebrew.  Nonetheless, Hell has been a useful tool for keeping intellectually indolent fuckwits in line for 20+ centuries.

    Your brain, such as it is, will simply quit functioning when, in your case, your two neurons stop depolarizing and prevent you from transmitting an electrical impulse between the single synapse buried deep within your thick noggin.  Then your Imaginary Sky Daddy that your culture has convinced you is real via brainwashing and constant repetitive ritual will cease to exist.  Then you will most likely rot in an overpriced coffin after you’ve been pumped full of overpriced chemicals so you don’t stink up the joint while your loved ones grieve over your carcass for a few days or your corpse will be burned.

    I also don’t believe in souls in the Christian sense so I don’t think you are going to get Raptured up to sit with your Invisible Sky Daddy and eat Cheetos while you watch us infidels and sinners backstroke through your imaginary lake of fire.  I think that souls are nothing more than a “just-so” story invented by ignorant fucks that are: a.)scared shitless of the unknown and what happens after death, b.) seek to immortalize themselves in some manner since it is clear that their body will rot which even they cannot deny given the evidence, and c.) seek to elevate themselves above mere “animals” simply because the have a complex brain capable of abstract thought.

    So once again, I didn’t condemn you to hell.  You, on the other hand, seem to have condemned yourself to something far worse from my POV—a lifetime of ignorance, cowardice and hubris because you desperately hope that you are somehow special.  Because of these things you’ve bought your cultural myths lock, stock and barrel.  Perhaps that is just as well because too many folks would likely go insane with worry about what happens after death if they didn’t have a comforting myth to believe in.

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