A call for calm after the election storm.

I’d like to ask everyone who’s upset over Bush winning re-election to pause for a moment, take a deep breath, and just try to relax. For the past 24 hours or so far too many Liberals have been running around as though hot nuclear death were raining down from the sky and they only had minutes remaining to be someplace else very far away. More than a few people have emphatically stated their intentions to move to another country and I’m sure more than a few of you are deadly serious about it. Quite a few others are wasting energy on being angry, depressed, worried, bitter, melancholy, or what have you and often times more than one of those emotions at once. In short, a lot of us are being not just reactionary, but over-reactionary to this development. Yes, I think a lot of us are overreacting and not thinking this through with a clear head like we should be.

For starters, nothing has really changed yet. America didn’t suddenly become a theocracy when Kerry called Bush and conceded. None of Bush’s goals in his agenda suddenly became a foregone conclusion with his reelection. The Bill of Rights wasn’t set alight and outlawed the moment Bush gave his victory speech. But you might think all of those things had happened if you were to judge us simply by how we’ve reacted. The truth is America still has a long way to go before our worst fears become reality and the worst thing we could do that would help ensure those fears come to pass is to throw our hands up in frustration or flee like scared rabbits.

Let’s address the option some folks are considering of moving out of the country. Canada seems to be a popular choice for a lot of folks who are seriously considering leaving mainly due to its more left-leaning government and populace. Canada is certainly willing to take you on, but you’ll have to get in line with everyone else who’s trying to move there from other countries. Word has it that legal immigration to Canada can take upwards of a year and then it’s another three years before you can become a full citizen. You could move in ahead of schedule if you manage to land a job there first and that’ll require a work permit, which is still a good four to six months in the future if you apply today. As long as you’re waiting you may as well ask yourself a few questions starting with, ‘Do I really think this means I’m leaving the problems in America behind?’ Consider that for a moment: For better or worse, America is the most powerful nation on the planet. If we were all to give up and abandon ship leaving the country to the right-wingers to do with as they please, how long do you think it would be before you once again started to feel the impact of that decision? If the Dominionists succeed in their goal of reshaping America into a true “Christian Nation” as they envision it, do you really think they’re going to be happy with that and leave the rest of the world alone? We’ve already read about how their goal is, quite literally, world domination. Imagine an America reshaped and run by these people. Do you honestly think you’d be safe anywhere on the planet with them in control back here?

For those of you who are busy panicking over this development you should be asking yourself, ‘How does this help the situation?’ The short answer is: It doesn’t. At best it’s a waste of energy and at worst it confirms everything the opposition believes is true about us. It also tends to feed on itself as it’s difficult to think clearly when you’re busy overreacting and we end up falling back on some of the very tendencies we take Conservatives to task for such as black and white thinking. Caught up in our own emotions we resort to knee-jerk reactions and lose sight of some very important facts.

For example, take a look at this USA Today map that breaks down how each county in each state voted into either Red of Blue. If you’re a Liberal then you probably find the sight of that map a bit depressing, but does it really say anything other than a particular county was won by one side or the other? No, it’s a simple binary depiction that gives you no indication how close the race in any particular county might have been and if you do some searching you’ll probably find that the race in many areas was very close.

Consider Oakland County, Michigan where Kerry got 319,607 votes and Bush got 316,567 making for a 50% to 49% win for Kerry with a mere 3040 votes difference. Now contrast that with Alpena County, Michigan where Bush scored 7,665 votes to Kerry’s 7,406 making for another 50% to 49% win for the other side with only 259 votes separating them. More importantly take a look at Michigan as a whole in that CNN county-by-county breakdown that colors the counties based on how strongly they allied with one side or the other. By my count there were at least 16 counties that were so close as to not show a hint of either red or blue and there were only a handful of counties that could be considered to be strongly on one side or the other. Looking at the other states you’ll find a couple that were mostly blue-tinted such as Massachusetts and a couple that were mostly red-tinted such as Oklahoma, but in a lot of them you’ll find that there’s an awful lot of white counties where it could easily have gone either way and even more counties where support one way or the other was just barely enough to give the state any tint at all.  If we were to apply this graduated concept to a map of how the states voted you might end up with a map like this one over at BoingBoing.net which has an awful lot of purple on it.

That’s the effect of those moderates we keep forgetting about that make up a good portion of the population. People like ***Dave who tend to lean liberal, but still has some consevative aspects to his nature as well. I think ***Dave is a good representative of the moderate viewpoint in part because of his entries dealing with his struggle to decide which candidate he was going to vote for. I take comfort in the fact that when I look at those maps that provide a graduated scale showing how strong one county or another happened to be for either side that the majority of them could be open to persuasion and a well reasoned argument to go the other way next time.

It’s important in times like this that we are level-headed enough to look for what the reality is as opposed to what we fear it might be. Just as the majority of Christians aren’t far-right Fundamentalist assholes, not everyone who voted for Bush is a die-hard Conservative who is beyond all reasoning with. It’s easy to forget this because we generally tend to get into arguments with the folks who ARE those things as opposed to the moderates. It’s also important to remember that we argue with them not because we foolishly think we’ll change their minds, but because we’re hoping our reasoning will resonate with the folks who are open to considering other viewpoints. If we just throw up our hands in frustration and feel sorry for ourselves, though, then we will end up with a self-fulfilling prophecy. We can sit around and pout and point fingers at what age groups we had pinned our hopes on that didn’t show up or how 51% of the nation must be clueless morons or any of a dozen other excuses we can dream up. Or we can take a deep breath, take a critically honest look at ourselves, our message, and our situation and then move forward determined not to let this setback crush our spirits. The only constant is change and even the darkest days eventually give way to better times.

90 thoughts on “A call for calm after the election storm.

  1. I do suspect there’s a certain dark pleasure in predicting doom, even if done so in-cheek.

    Even before the election I was telling my friends that we could have fun either way: we could celebrate a Kerry win, or make up scary possibilities after a Bush majority.

    So count me as guilty in stoking those fires a little. Its not fear speaking, though I DO have a few miles of Atlantic between the Shrub and me.

  2. Sing it, Brother Les!  And not just because you said nice things about me. grin

    To put it a slightly different way, by wailing and making with the sackcloth and ashes, those on the Left (to generalize folks into camps) tell the folks in the Center that, jeez, the Left must be really way out there on the fringe if they are treating this as Armageddon …

    In fact, the motivations that went into this election are widely varied, and most of the folks *I* know who decided for Kerry or for Bush were pretty conflicted over it—preferring one candidate over another in a variety of areas. I know a lot of folks (and I nearly was one) who cannot abide Bush’s social policies, and have grave doubts over his budgetary/economic policies, but had more serious doubts about Kerry on the most important issue to them, the War on Terror.  To say, “You’re a gap-toothed idiot!” or “You just destroyed this country!” not only is, well, unnuanced (ahem), but makes an enemy (in your mind *and* theirs) out of a potential ally—someone who, when the issues are different *next* election, might very well choose the other direction.

    The problem with the Blue State/Red State frame is that it’s part and parcel of the “You’re either For us or Against us”—a stupid, simplistic tactic that’s equally reprehensible from whichever side it comes (and which plays into the hands of partisan politicians who want you to ignore names and records and just vote according to the little “R” or “D”).  I really like that BoingBoing Map of Purples, because it shows not just the differences, but the commonalities, a lot better than the ordinary electoral maps.

  3. That’s just the kind of ignorant crap I’d expect from you, you slack-jawed yokel. Sure, couch it in your fancy schmancy “logic” and “calm rationality”…but we can see right through you, you tool of the opressor!

  4. I have been thinking for months about how it happens that intelligent people can differ so widely in their conclusions from the same facts or events (on those occasions where facts are agreed upon.)  The Bush/Kerry thing is a good example.

    I have come to the conclusion that it happens because of the frame we put around the picture right at the beginning.  How do Bush supporters hear his verbal gaffes and it does not diminish their opinion of him?  Because early on they decided he was an honorable man and every picture element put into that frame proves their decision.  They might have selected that frame because of agreement on Jesus, or abortion, or because he seems like their next-door neighbor.  The important thing is, they felt a connection.

    The frame produces the adjectives that drive assessment.  When his administration can’t work with others, he’s “determined” and “strong.” When someone protests, they’re trying to change the frame and we really don’t like having our frames changed.

    Or consider Kerry – a decorated veteran; no Eisenhower, sure, but he stood up in the line of fire, saw conscripts die, and decided to come home and oppose the war.  Depending if you put a frame of honor or dishonor around that picture, you then perceive every action the man ever takes after that in an entirely different way.

    Is there a way to be sure of escaping our frames of reference and making a remotely objective assessment of an issue?  Most people practice the dominent religion of their countries and follow their families’ political beliefs for generations (my 94-year-old grandmother thinks GWB is “a dim bulb” and will eviscerate any argument to the contrary.)

    No, America did not become a theocracy yesterday but I firmly believe it took a big step in that direction.  I really do think Bush is a dangerous idiot but seeing as he seems to be holding all the cards right now, I’d like to be wrong.  The problem is I am simply unable to see the same Bush his supporters see. 

    As for moving to Canada, I certainly would not but I can’t speak for my three draft-age sons.  They may feel differently.

    And, what GM said.

  5. I really do think Bush is a dangerous idiot but seeing as he seems to be holding all the cards right now, I’d like to be wrong.  The problem is I am simply unable to see the same Bush his supporters see.

    This is exactly what I’m struggling with at the moment.  It seems that most of us here are capable of taking on just about any topic and debating it from any number of perspectives.

    For some reason I just can’t seem to get a Bush presidency to add up to anything good in my mind.  I don’t see Kerry supporters running en masse over a cliff.  I think this is a temporary shock and work will begin anew in coming months.  I agree with DOF’s assessment that the country took one huge step toward a theocracy and would encourage those who didn’t follow Les’ earlier link to the ACLU to become members and get involved.

    IMHO this is still the greatest nation and it’s not because of our government, but in spite of it.

    Oh, and what Geekmom said, dammit!

  6. [sarcasm]I’m sure ChristianExodus will be disappointed now that they won’t be martyred for the cause.[/sarcasm]

    If the admin goes for some kind of forced military service, they’ll try to figure something that won’t formally be the draft, so they can say there’s no draft.  Probably start requiring military service in exchange for student aid, since you already have to be registered with Selective Service (the draft) to get financial aid.  Then Ashcroft can start hunting down those who didn’t register with Sel. Service while checking their computers for illegal mp3s and movies.

  7. Then Ashcroft can start hunting down those who didn’t register with Sel. Service while checking their computers for illegal mp3s and movies.

    From what I have been hearing this afternoon, Ashcroft may be stepping aside so that W can appoint Rudy Juliani.

  8. Les, I don’t know what to say man! I don’t know how to adore you any more than I already do. Thanks for putting a positive, believable and rational spin to this development. Thanks for a very well written piece.

    I’m not moving, and I live in the very state ChristianExodus plans to take over. If I left, how could I live with myself wherever I moved?

    My submit word should be “grassroots”, but it isn’t. It’s actually “wall” and I’ll be damned if I put up with a wall being built around my ideals. So “grassroots” is my buzzword for the next four years. It starts small and locally and swells.

    Get on the grass everybody!

  9. Consider this:  2008 will happen.

    And, before any of you decide to move to another country: my neo-conservative maoist zionist commune is (yes you heard right!) accepting applications.  Although we are located deep in the swamps of SouthEast Massachusetts, safely hidden from sattelite recon, life is good and free and there’s plenty of hydroponic veggies and other fun stuff to be had (we’ve modeled our culture on the various scenes of Yoda’s homeworld).  And there are still a few hollowed out tree stumps left for mid-size families.

    Cats are welcomed.

    Trust me, Truth and Justice shall rise again.
    Have a little faith, people.
    Things work out, in all things and measures.


  10. From what I have been hearing this afternoon, Ashcroft may be stepping aside so that W can appoint Rudy Juliani.

    Isn’t he in Mexico City, teaching Mexicans not to jaywalk? wink

    I’m a bit sceptical about him replacing Ashcroft. What for? Bush is loyal to those who do his work.

  11. An air of relative calm would be nice, but I fear it won’t be forthcoming, nor lasting. So I’ve decided to renew my ACLU membership just in case.

  12. Having recently managed to survive my own country’s federal election (which was nothing less than a complete disaster, though a predictable one) I have to agree with everything you’ve said Les, keep up the good work.

  13. Let’s address the option some folks are considering of moving out of the country.

    Not being a US citizen and all I certainly want to keep my family’s options open.

  14. I’m a bit sceptical about him replacing Ashcroft. What for? Bush is loyal to those who do his work.

    Today the Post-Dispatch carried a story titled Ashcroft likely to leave post.

    WASHINGTON (AP)—Attorney General John Ashcroft is likely to leave his post before the start of President Bush’s second term, senior aides said Thursday.

    Ashcroft, 62, is described as exhausted from leading the Justice Department in fighting the domestic war on terrorism since the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. Stress was a factor in Ashcroft’s health problems earlier this year that resulted in removal of his gall bladder.
    . . .
    Names that have been floated in recent weeks as a possible replacement include Ashcroft’s former deputy, Larry Thompson, who would become the first black attorney general. Others include Marc Racicot, who was Bush’s campaign manager, and White House general counsel Alberto Gonzales, who would give Bush a notable Hispanic appointment.

    Also sometimes mentioned is former New York Mayor Rudolph Giuliani, but his spokeswoman said he’s not interested. “Rudy Giuliani is not taking John Ashcroft’s job,” Sunny Mindel said.

    For the first time in many months, I didn’t finish the front section of the paper. The on air reports that I heard didn’t reflect the full article.

  15. I’m glad this was well received. I had to leave for a family gathering immediately after posting it so I wasn’t sure how well it went over. My brother-in-law just joined the Reserves and is due to head-out for boot camp within days and may end up in Iraq shortly after finishing that.

    Mind you I’m not saying there isn’t cause for concern, but being wary and keeping our eyes open is a lot different than panicking.

  16. [B]eing wary and keeping our eyes open is a lot different than panicking.

    And is almost always a good idea, regardless of who’s in the White House.

  17. Great post, Les.  In fact, one of the better ones I’ve seen the past few days.

    I’m one of the Purples wink  I voted for Kerry based on economic policies, jobs, deficit, and getting us out of Iraq.  However, I lean more toward the conservative side with my beliefs and social issues (with the exception of the ban on gay marriage and such: that is just ridiculous to turn that into a government issue).  But that’s another topic for another day. 

    It bothers me that both candidates seemed far out on either side of the spectrum for my taste, yet, that was basically the choice at the buffet, so to speak. Nader was not an option to me.

    I NEVER have once mentioned leaving the country.  I’d rather take a stronger stance in politics, and get involved in it locally.  That’ll give me something to do rather than moan and groan the next 4 years. 

    Especially since the wonderful state of Kentucky reelected Bunning 51 to 49 percent.  Crazy fuckers.  THAT certainly needs to change.

    I’m 23, and I’d like to see people my age ACTUALLY get out and vote, and have candidates pay attention to my demographic.

  18. Some words of wisdom from an unlikely source – Duff McKagen of Velvet Revolver (and formerly of Guns n Roses):
    We’ve only got 4 more years of Bush. It’s not like he can take office again.

    ..and the revolution will be televised.

  19. Interview with an Extraterrestrial

    Scene: In an artificial bubble on the surface of Ganymede (one of Jupiter’s moons), an alien explorer describes his visit to Earth.

    Can you give us a general picture of Earth and its inhabitants?

    The planet is rather pretty, with lots of natural resources. “Fertile” isn’t too strong a word, especially when compared with most places in the local system. There are lots of energy sources, easily accessed, and lots of chemical resources as well. And we think this fertility is why the Earth’s inhabitants—the “humans”—have such distorted ideas about reality.

    You mean like the silica worms on Venus, who, because they can’t see through their atmosphere, have the idea that their planet is the entire universe?

    No, the humans are much worse. They can see and study the entire universe, but they still think they are the center of everything, that their planet is the reason the universe exists.

    (collective gasp from audience)

    But only the young humans, the larvae, have these distorted ideas, right?

    No, that would be true here, but on Earth even old humans have a larval view of reality. Some never mature beyond expecting a deity, or a government, or nature herself, to satisfy their craving for transformation.

    What is this transformation? Don’t they understand what they are?

    Not in the slightest. They believe they are super-beings, or are mystically connected to a super-being, so everything is simultaneously temporary and unsatisfactory, to be someday replaced by fame, justice, immortality, or something called “true love.”

    Do any of them have our concept of nature as a connected whole, of which all are a part? How do their beliefs differ?

    The earthlings have it exactly backward. They think nature exists for them, designed to meet their needs, not that they are part of nature, as we understand it—

    (another gasp)

    —But it is much worse than that. They can’t understand why nature won’t meet their most trivial needs, and they are possessed by dissatisfaction. If they look at their planet’s moon, it is unsatisfactory because they can’t build a house on it. Everything is too hot or too cold, too big or too small. Reality is viewed solely in terms of a human’s immediate needs.

    How did they stay so backward for so long?

    Mostly by looking in the wrong places. You may not believe this, but many of them rely on each other for structure and meaning—they even form units, composed of a leader and followers. The leader pretends to need followers, and the followers pretend to need a leader. Naturally, the most dangerous leaders—and followers—are those who forget it’s a game. This game used to be called “religion,” now it is called “government.”

    Are there any regions of more advanced behavior, a place where we could safely present ourselves?

    Emphatically not. In fact, there is one area of Earth that is much worse than the others—it’s called “America.” The Americans have raised dissatisfaction to an art form. They rarely notice events and creatures of great beauty, and completely miss spectacular examples of nature’s generosity. For example, I once monitored the brain-waves of a human observing a sunset. After a moment, he thought “If only this sunset were 10% prettier, why then I would be happy.”

    What causes this distorted view of reality?
    Well, humans have only recently acquired intellectual skills, therefore those skills are in a dangerous, immature form. We have seen this in other places—the Earthlings have Godlike thinking powers grafted onto animal personalities. They have the ability to destroy themselves through badly formed ideas, but no ability to curb their passions.

    Their most serious problem is that they still believe in authority—

    (gasps and laughter)

    —yes, I know it is hard to believe. Many species throughout the universe have successfully made the transition from animal, instinctive mental processes to true intellect, and along the way they come to recognize authority for what it is: the last vestige of animal thought and behavior. But the transition away from authority can be difficult. The humans are about halfway through this learning process—they still believe in centralized control of individual behavior, and yet they have developed fusion weapons, as though they had any chance to control such weapons with their pack-animal political system.

    Don’t they have some version of science and mathematics to help them transcend their animal passions?

    Most don’t even know what science and mathematics are, and many of the rest think science can only be practiced by someone called a “scientist.”—


    —Yes, and that is the best evidence for their primitive state. They don’t recognize scientific thought as the principal way to evolve from the half-animal, half-civilized state in which they are now living. They don’t understand that science is the moral property of all thinking creatures.

    Well, at least they realize they are in transition between the world of animals and intelligent beings?

    No, actually they think they are intelligent beings, with no supporting evidence at all. Humans study the geological record of species that have been transformed to meet new requirements, but they don’t realize they are themselves in the midst of such a transformation.

    Can we help them? Can we share any part of our knowledge base with them, ease them toward intelligent behavior?

    No, I cannot recommend that. They would only use our tools to kill each other, and our ideas would either confuse or frighten them. I recommend that we stay out of their view, as the other advanced species have decided to do, and let them wake up by themselves, in their own good time.

    Thank you for your report. Make it so. It is requested that none of our craft approach Earth, or become visible from there.

    Send out this request: Stay away from Earth—they must show evidence of civilized behavior before we can allow them to join our community in the stars.



  20. IMPoe, that was amazing.  And amusing.

    Les, on further reflection I do think that there’s one issue in particular for which it is appropriate to panic.  And that is the anti-gay legislation that passed in the 11 states.

    You may suspect Bush will push the country in directions we don’t want to see, and that may or may not happen, but legalized restrictions on the civil rights of a good 10% of our population just happened.  This is not a matter of perspective; it is a fact.  THIS is something we need to fight right now.  THIS is a larger step backwards, in my opinion, than even the Patriot Act.

    And it is very sad to say, but given the results of the election, I’m starting to agree with some in the gay community who did NOT want the lawsuit brought in Massachusetts that resulted in the court ruling allowing gay marriage.  It brought the subject into the limelight at exactly the wrong time, and it turned into a conflagration that according to many polls tipped the balance towards Bush in a serious way.  It ignited the culture war at its most flammable point.

  21. I agree that the anti-gay issue is definitely important and needs to be combated, but I disagree that panicking is the right approach to take on it.

    I mentioned before that having 11 states, including my own, pass amendments is bad, but not as bad as a national amendment would have been. The Republicans may try to revisit that issue now that they have a larger majority, but I still don’t think they have enough votes to get it through. As long as it stays at the state level there is always hope that a SCOTUS decision will render those amendments mute as it has with previous discriminatory state amendments.

    The best thing we can do now is to continue to educate others on why these amendments are institutionalized discrimination and antithetical to the concepts of freedom and fairness this country supposedly embraces. We have to lay the foundation to build the effort to have these issues revisited in future elections in hopes of repealing them, but it’s going to take time and effort and a lot of persuasion along the way.

  22. Ah Les…what would we do without our voice of reason.  Having, for most of my informed life, considered myself a moderate Republican (i.e. fairly liberal on most social issues), watching what has become of the GOP in the past 10-20 years has seriously disturbed me.  The call to moral arms and “god speaks only to us” mentality seriously scares the crap out of me.  But the real possibility of losing John Ashcroft is ray of hope.  Is there anybody worse they could replace him with?

  23. Is there anybody worse they could replace him with?

    Pat Robertson or Jerry Falwell …

    Les, you’re right that there are things we can do and the legislation in the states is not the worst thing that can happen, but I still don’t feel like being reasonable about it.  It’s the equivalent of a theocratic-based miscegenation law, which is the worst thing to happen to our country in decades.

  24. Is there anybody worse they could replace him with?

    Cindi, (shudder!) don’t DO that!!!  That’s the part of the movie where the main character says, “Well, we’ve crash-landed on a deserted island in a hurricane.  How can it get any worse?” (ominous music)

    GM, we’re typing at the same time.  You beat me to it. ;-D

  25. (With tongue planted frimly in cheek) . . .

    I’d like to point out to Les that it may not be so difficult for Americans to move to Canada. Someone up here has created:


    So, when the big old Draft somes down (sorry, I mean “selective service”), you might want to consider finding a Canadian willing to do the humanitarian thing and rescue you (or your sons, decrepitoldfool) from Bush’s/God’s great plan for America.

    Seriously, though . . . the day dawned just fine, the world went on, and it may be that Bush will revert to type and retreat to his ranch to chop wood, play golf, or whatever he does down there. He may be happy just to coast out his second term. We can all hope.

  26. GeekMom:  Obviously, those two (and other) hideous examples crossed my mind.  But, are they attorneys?  Doesn’t one have to be an attorney to be an attorney general?  Although I guess one cannot really expect the rules to be followed anymore.

  27. IMPoe, I love that piece!

    Paul Lutus is an absolute treasure.  His essays are fabulous, and my being employed as a web geek now is a direct result of my learning HTML using his Arachnophilia program many years ago.

    The results of this election brought me to the very edge of the “black hole” of depression; but I can’t afford to fall in, so I’ve grabbed hold of the rage that will keep me above-ground, and will focus my energies on anything that can help keep this country from becoming the one Bush and the PNAC would like it to be.

    We must take our country back from these Fascists and Pharisees.  I’d like to see it done by winning hearts and minds to “our” side, but if it came down to it, I’d have no problem with joining the People in an armed revolution.

  28. As a conservative (OMG I might actually be called ‘radical’ by some), I have some questions that perhaps you good people might answer.

    1. I keep hearing how Bush is a divider, and it is ever popular to repeat ‘uniter not a divider’.  While I agree the country is in many ways deeply divided, I cannot understand what logical person would come to the conclusion that the divisions are a product of a GWB presidency.  If I recall correctly, the 2000 election was split down the middle – partisan rancor abounded on both sides, people hated one another because of the results, etc etc – much like it is today.  While I’ll not attempt to make a case about whether GWB is a UNITER, I think it is rather hasty to say he is a ‘divider’.  The bottom line to me is, there are very important subjects to people in this country, and the opinions of the country on those opinions are split (almost in half).  GWB has taken a position on those very important subjects, and because he does not favor a certain side, that side calls him a divider?  I am genuinely curious about this.  Please comment.

    2. I have noticed GENUINE confusion on the parts of many democrats/progressives – they are genuinely confused as to WHY do so many people appear to support the president, how could a rational person vote for him, what is wrong with this country, etc etc.  I can say with absolute certainty that the people on the other side of the spectrum feel exactly the same way.  As a conservative, I simply am dumbfounded in many ways that almost half the country voted for John Kerry and what he stands for (although I have suspicions that a significant portion of the vote for Kerry/Edwards was really just an ‘anything but Bush’ vote).  While political pundits and blogs will extol the virtues of either side, I for one am very interested in bridging the gap, because as a country, we cannot continue with this kind of divisiveness (sp?) and expect to be great for any period of time.  After my initial victory jig (in another post, cannot remember what thread id it was), the enormity of the situtation really hit – there are 50M+ people in this country that are pissed off/disillusioned/devastated over the results – what kind of country is that?  While you guys don’t agree with my political/economic/social views, I am curious as to what realistic things can be done to unify this country.

    3. Because this blog appears to be populated for the most part by middle-class folks, I have to ask this.  In light of the overwhelming factual error, distortions, etc, in Farenheit 9/11, do you guys/gals consider people like Michael Moore to be a genuine reflection of your party/views?  Do you consider Farenheit 9/11 to be useful/helpful to your cause?  I for one, am appalled (sp?) that a party as large and old as the democrats could possibly treat such people as Dennis K, Al Sharpton, etc as viable presidential candidates, stand them up in political debates in front of the country, and let them make fools of the party.  As much as GWB/Republicans may be to blame for your sadness, your own party is just as guilty – how many of you would have run things the same way the dems did for this election cycle?

    I have a lot of other questions – because the reality of the situation is, as a republican I just REALLY don’t get you guys.  And i can see that you guys really don’t get us either.  Mebbe if I get constructive answers to these questions I’ll ask more.  Thx

  29. I must commend you. Those are excellent and fair questions. I don’t have time to try and answer them in the manner they deserve at the moment, but I promise to revisit this with my thoughts on your questions later this evening after work.

  30. Crazyrepublican, what Les said… those are great questions.  I’m on my lunch hour so will at least put in my 2 cents.

    The bottom line to me is, there are very important subjects to people in this country, and the opinions of the country on those opinions are split (almost in half).  GWB has taken a position on those very important subjects, and because he does not favor a certain side, that side calls him a divider?  I am genuinely curious about this.  Please comment.

    Uniter/Divider – Yes, the country was split down the middle in the last election as the excellent Clinton presidency had been hammered relentlessly for 8 years.  Bush promised then to bring us together.  But every step along the way he’s presented a stonewalling, “My way or the highway” attitude.  If he’s trying to be a uniter, he isn’t working very hard at it.  Now he says he has a “mandate” and “the will of the people behind my back” after a bitter election in which he won a small majority. 

    Some may call him a divider because he takes certain positions, but for me it’s just because he seems to ignore people who disagree with him.  Well, not entirely ignore – the transparent use of “wedge issues” to instill fear was effective but repugnant.

    After my initial victory jig (in another post, cannot remember what thread id it was), the enormity of the situtation really hit – there are 50M+ people in this country that are pissed off/disillusioned/devastated over the results – what kind of country is that?  While you guys don’t agree with my political/economic/social views, I am curious as to what realistic things can be done to unify this country.

    I totally agree with you and have also thought a lot about this – how is it that intelligent people come to such extremely different conclusions?  My comment of 11/04/04 above is an attempt to wrestle with that issue but I’m damned if I know what to do about it except what we’re doing right now… ask the question and try to understand.  If we can get enough people doing that maybe we can figure out how to … “get along” and have a better country.

    Dealing with honest extreme disagreement is not a “solved problem” in human relations.

    Because this blog appears to be populated for the most part by middle-class folks, I have to ask this.

    Not sure why that matters.

    In light of the overwhelming factual error, distortions, etc, in Farenheit 9/11, do you guys/gals consider people like Michael Moore to be a genuine reflection of your party/views?  Do you consider Farenheit 9/11 to be useful/helpful to your cause?  I for one, am appalled (sp?) that a party as large and old as the democrats could possibly treat such people as Dennis K, Al Sharpton, etc as viable presidential candidates, stand them up in political debates in front of the country, and let them make fools of the party.  As much as GWB/Republicans may be to blame for your sadness, your own party is just as guilty – how many of you would have run things the same way the dems did for this election cycle?

    I’m not sure the factual errors or distortions in F/911 were all that overwhelming – more like the exaggerations of a political cartoon, which is how I saw the movie; as a 2-hour political cartoon.  (The scene of happy-happy pre-invasion Iraq was particularly overdone.) 

    But the F/911 movie is a different matter from letting Al Sharpton anywhere near a microphone.  The Democratic party suffers from the very diversity it is trying to celebrate.  There’s no way to tell Al Sharpton to sit down and shut the f*ck up without alienating his thousands of inexplicable followers.  Gays thought April in an election year would be a great time to press the issue of gay marriage and the Democratic party just went along with it.  The party just isn’t good at taking the long view or advocating any self-restraint.

    The Republican party suffers from no such limitation.  Only one Republican rolled around on deck shooting cannonballs in every direction, but everyone’s used to steering around Alan Keyes.

    I’m looking forward to what Les says about these questions.  Thanks for asking them.

  31. What DOF said.

    I do have to say that in one aspect GW has been a uniter:  he has united pretty much the whole world against us.  As DOF says, his “my way or the highway” attitude has been ruinous for diplomacy but very effective as a soundbite for people who want to hear a tough president talking.  In my view, our president should be trying hard to represent as much of the country as possible, and I don’t think he’s trying at all.  I think he’s trying to push an extreme right-wing agenda that’s only half-baked, and he’s only moderating it where it’s clear he won’t be able to get away with the full Monty.  He doesn’t represent me at ALL.

    I would far rather have had Kerry, who did one courageous thing after another:  he survived combat, then came home to protest the war he had learned so much about.  He revealed some of the ugly things our country was doing in the name of that questionable war, even though it meant being branded as a traitor by the people he was accusing (whistleblowers everywhere do that).  He did go to Paris to reach out to the other side, and I would rather have a president who was willing to risk trying that.  That’s a lot riskier than parading around in a flight suit, for crying out loud.  Anyone can stand behind a fence and yell “bring it on.”

    Kerry didn’t need to act macho.  Bush and Cheney, on the other hand, seem to need desperately to appear that way, cartoonishly so.  I think that kind of ridiculous testosterone posture is going to get us in really deep trouble.

    I see the election as the triumph of surface over substance, and it saddens me.

  32. Since when did it become a prerequisite to be intelligent to be a voter?  Last I checked, P-Diddy was running a “Vote or Die” campaign on MTV, which I wouldn’t exactly consider to be the largest gathering of able minds on television.

    But then again, there’s television to consider as a whole – how was this whole election presented on television?  Was Bush’s sheer inadequacy in the first debate overlooked for the most part?  Did Moore’s lack of credibility automatically taint that of Kerry?  And then there’s the issue of the undecided voters – the morons who, after seeing all of this, couldn’t come up with a final decision for the surveys before the actual election.  I’m tempted to believe that a lot of people went out and voted for whoever “felt right” at the time, and I wouldn’t be surprised that with Bush’s disgusting, emotional shit-trap towards 9/11 that people were more easily swayed to support him.

    The first thing that went through my mind on 9/11 (once I regained comprehension after the initial shock) was: Bush is going to use this to win in 2004.  I find it amazingly ignorant of the American people to buy that so readily, even after he sent us to a war on false pretenses that were openly EXPOSED to the public THROUGH the national media!

    I agree with Geekmom and DOF – Bush is a divider because he doesn’t listen.  He didn’t listen to the U.N. when they refused to help him in Iraq.  He didn’t listen to the millions of protesters of the largest unified protest movement in history either.  I find it mildly amusing that you don’t try to define him as a uniter, because I can’t think of a single instance where he’s been that either.

    I’m not panicking over the election (despite the fact that I’m nauseous because of it).  Neither would I ever leave the country over something so trivial as a presidential election.  What I am worried about now, however, are the terrorists, and the message we’re sending to the rest of the world – this man wrongfully attacked a sovereign nation, alienated us from our allies, and is imposing western culture on the middle east constantly in a transparent nationalistic effort to “control” it, and we approve of him for a second term.  I’m sure I’m not the only one in the world who wants to puke.

  33. Where the hell have you been JoshMan? I hope you haven’t been cleaning up another ketchup bomb all this time.

    Bush is revved up now somehow. I don’t see how an almost lost campaign gave him the sack to think he has the nation behind him, but he has “capitol” now and he’s going to use it. The question is: Is he going to buy bananas or apples with it?

    [sarcasm] As for working with the world through the United Nations, our country isn’t about to do that anytime soon. We are the strongest most important nation on the planet. We’re too proud/deserving to allow a group of other nations to temper our decisions that affect other nations. The very idea is ludicrous! /sarcasm].

  34. Again, let my add my take from the other side of the Atlantic:

    1) He’s a polarizing person because his goals are very straight-forward. He doesn’t like compromising, he probably believes that is as bad much as conceding something.

    In a politician in such a high place, I prefer someone who ‘muddles through’, solves problems without making everything a matter of highest importance. I’d rather have a politician whom most people ‘sorta agree’ with than one who is loved by one side and hated by the other.

    2) You got me there. I know a lot of FACTS about the US, but I don’t really KNOW the US. Last tuesday showed me again. Maybe I should visit and stay a little. But not until after 2008 wink

    3) I dislike Moore. I read one book of his, saw that he played rough and ready with facts and conclusions – not lying, but not really being fair either – and never touched anything of his again. But whats the matter – I’ll agree with the previous comments – both sides have enough of a fringe. And the fringe is always exciting, so it gets more airtime.

  35. Actually, I meant “capital” but most of you are smart enough to have figured that out. Still, MY pride won’t allow me to leave it uncorrected.

  36. I thought Bowling for Columbine was good.  However, it’s best not to take Moore seriously.  He’s not as bad as someone like Rush Limbaugh, but Moore does tend to distort things.
    I find it funny how much he’s like Bush.

    In case your wondering who I am, I brought up the W Ketchup on the SEB forums, and asked about National Health care.  I come to this site all the time, but prefer to just watch.

  37. 2. . . . As a conservative, I simply am dumbfounded in many ways that almost half the country voted for John Kerry and what he stands for

    I am not a registered with either party and it has been some time since I actually voted for a president. A short list. I see legislation being written for the benefit of large corporations, I see a government walking away from thirty years of environmental protection and, I believe that Iraq was mishandled. Why would I not vote for Kerry, even though he may not have been the best candidate the Dems could have fielded.   

    3. . . .In light of the overwhelming factual error, distortions, etc, . . .

    What DOF said. I would add that some of his conspiracy theories are likely nothing more than that.

    crazyrepublican. Did you draw your conclusion from watching the film. I can’t cry foul if you didn’t – I never listen to Rush and seldom watch Fox. (filteredvison got here first.)

  38. I tried to send a trackback ping, but it doesn’t appear to have worked. 

    Anyways, I paid Les a compliment in his criticism of the USA Today Map. 

    How to Lie with Maps, but I criticize the BoingBoing map as well.  Hope you appreciate may “fair and balanced” approach to the issue.

    Keep your chins up.  We all love America.

  39. First of all you have got to look at the numbers and where they came from. Bush/Cheney 51% Kerry/Edwards 48%+ Other 1%-,

    and the break down. LOOK OVER THE NUMBERS!

    You will find that small town, gun owning, on the average uneducated white conservative, republicans, independents, who are married and religious, made up his whole whopping 51% of American Voters that brought us back to the mournful state we are in now. Yes 48%+ of the

    American people are in morning still today after a bitter and hard fight for the presidency. If it was a fight to the death one would be dead and one would be close to it, comatose and would take four years of hospitalization to come out of it,  but no. This is a fight that has not finished.

    Bush is like a school yard bully and has not learned a lesson yet. The last two large addresses have been gloating, and statements have been made like we will do it with them or with out them. He talks about bridging the gap, but does nothing to prove goodwill. To gloat over a victory and spit on his opponent and his people the way it is been done proves his worth. Now he will drag his mob through his next four years of policy making which he has designed in a way that even his top advisers do not want to be apart of.

    So, fellow Americans, stop thinking about suicide or moving abroad. Want to feel better? Eat a little crow, because it is darn sure a very little, then do something immediately, now, today. Figure out what you can do to help rescue the country. Four more years is not going to kill it. Even if the idiot runs us head long into more war, which seems to be one of his ways of building wealth for his billionaire friends, while the tax payer pays. Join something, call somewhere and offer to volunteer, find a politician you like at the local level and start helping him or her to move up. Push the dream along and the next time you run across a dumb hayseed on the campus or at school, don’t shut them out, God know, I know how it feels to be shut out. Do your own bridging toward the bank and on the shore that will do our country the most good.  Call them in and educate them, show them a computer and how they can learn. You have got to see it;  They do!, and that is why they are so afraid! [ Today we are witnessing the transformation of a nation and its majority becoming a minority ]

    Take the lead in lend a hand to the efforts that will break down walls and help the country recover from what it has done to itself. Don’t mourn, organize. Keep the faith and always point out the way. If you are a runner in a race, and a large truck comes by, you can see the finish line, but the truck dumps a bunch of garbage on you and you are now covered in garbage in the ditch. do you stop and die. NO! Dig out and keep up the fine fight for the finish.

    I have posted this but it seems like it should be on this page. The exodus is a bad idea in my opinion and I agree with Less in this regard. I have never ran from a fight in my life. I do not plan to start now. This is the time to get really down for what you think is right. Not just for family, but for brothers and sisters for in humanity for all time. Our GW has the lowest IQ of any president (fact) since there has been that type of test availible. He leads those that do not think but act. Cause and effect will be his demise. But if no one is trere to show the emperor’s nakedness then the failure will be our own.

  40. First, and certainly foremost, both terms “uniter” and “divider” are incredibly stupid. I prefer incompetent nitwit personally. But as to why we call him a divider….well…here’s a few reasons:

    Cpl. Roberto Abad, Sgt. Michael D. Acklin II, Spc. Genaro Acosta, Pfc. Steven Acosta, Capt. James F. Adamouski, Pvt. Algernon Adams, Sgt. Brandon E. Adams, Spc. Clarence Adams III, 1st Lt. Michael R. Adams, Pfc. Michael S. Adams, Lt. Thomas Mullen Adams, Spc. Jamaal R. Addison, Lance Cpl. Patrick R. Adle, Capt. Tristan N. Aitken, Spc. Segun Frederick Akintade, Lance Cpl. Nickalous N. Aldrich, Spc. Ronald D. Allen Jr., Sgt. Glenn R. Allison, Lance Cpl. Michael J. Allred, Capt. Eric L. Allton, Cpl. Nicanor Alvarez, Cpl. Daniel R. Amaya, Pfc. John D. Amos II, Lance Cpl. Brian E. Anderson, Airman 1st Class Carl L. Anderson Jr., Petty Officer 2nd Class Michael C. Anderson, Spc. Michael Andrade, Pfc, Spc. Yoe M. Aneiros, Lance Cpl. Levi T. Angell, Army Spc. Edward J. Anguiano, Chief Warrant Officer Andrew Todd Arnold, Lance Cpl. Alexander S. Arredondo, Spc. Richard Arriaga, Staff Sgt. Jimmy J. Arroyave, Spc. Robert R. Arsiaga, Sgt. Evan Asa Ashcraft, Pfc. Shawn M. Atkins, Maj. Jay Aubin, Capt. Matthew J. August, Lance Cpl. Aaron C. Austin, Spc. Tyanna S. Avery-Fedder, Lance Cpl. Andrew Julian Aviles, Pfc. Eric A. Ayon, Sgt. 1st Class Henry A. Bacon, Sgt. Andrew Joseph Baddick, Staff Sgt. Daniel A. Bader, Staff Sgt. Nathan J. Bailey, Spc. Ronald W. Baker, Spc. Ryan T. Baker, Sgt. Sherwood R. Baker.

    Pfc. Chad E. Bales, 1st Lt. Kenneth Michael Ballard, Maj. Spc. Solomon C. Bangayan, Lt. Col. Dominic R. Baragona, Pfc. Mark A. Barbret, Pfc. Collier E. Barcus, Sgt. Michael C. Barkey, Spc. Jonathan P. Barnes, Command Sgt. Maj. Edward C. Barnhill, Lance Cpl. Aric J. Barr, Sgt. Michael Paul Barrera, Maj. Carlos Barro Ollero, Sgt. Douglas E. Bascom, Spc. Todd M. Bates, Sgt. 1st Class Michael Battles Sr., Gunnery Sgt. Ronald E. Baum, Spc. Alan N. Bean Jr., Spc. Bradley S. Beard, Spc. Beau R. Beaulieu, Capt. Ryan Beaupre, Spc. James L. Beckstrand, Sgt. Gregory A. Belanger, Cpl. Christopher Belchik, Sgt. Aubrey D. Bell, Pfc. Wilfred D. Bellard, Staff Sgt. Joseph P. Bellavia, Sgt. 1st Class William M. Bennett, Spc. Robert T. Benson, 1st Lt. David R. Bernstein, Spc. Joel L. Bertoldie, Staff Sgt. Stephen A. Bertolino Sr., Staff Sgt. Marvin Best, Cpl. Mark A. Bibby, Sgt. Benjamin W. Biskie, Sgt. Michael E. Bitz, Sgt. Jarrod W. Black, Chief Warrant Officer Michael T. Blaise, Capt. Ernesto M. Blanco, Command Sgt. Maj. James D. Blankenbecler, Spc. Joseph M. Blickenstaff, Spc. Nicholas H. Blodgett, Sgt. Trevor A. Blumberg, Lance Cpl. Jeremy L. Bohlman, Gunnery Sgt. Jeffrey E. Bohr Jr., Lance Cpl. Todd J. Bolding, Sgt. Dennis J. Boles, Sgt. 1st Class Craig A. Boling, Petty Officer 3rd Class Doyle W. Bollinger Jr, Sgt. 1st Class Kelly Bolor, Staff Sgt. Stevon A. Booker.

    Chief Warrant Officer Clarence E. Boone, Capt. John J. Boria, Pfc. Rachel K. Bosveld, Spc. Mathew G. Boule, Staff Sgt. Elvis Bourdon, Pvt. 1st Class Samuel R. Bowen, Staff Sgt. Hesley Box Jr., Pvt. Noah L. Boye, Lance Cpl. Aaron Boyles, Spc. Edward W. Brabazon, Cpl. Travis J. Bradach-Nall, Staff Sgt. Kenneth R. Bradley, Staff Sgt. Stacey C. Brandon, Spc. Artimus D. Brassfield, Pfc. Joel K. Brattain, Pfc. Jeffrey F. Braun, Chief Warrant Officer William I. Brennan, Staff Sgt. Steven H. Bridges, Spc. Kyle A. Brinlee, Staff Sgt. Cory W. Brooks, Sgt. Thomas F. Broomhead, Sgt. Andrew W. Brown, Tech. Sgt. Bruce E. Brown, Lance Cpl. Dominic C. Brown, Cpl. Henry L. Brown, Pfc. John E. Brown, Spc. Larry K. Brown, Spc. Lunsford B. Brown II, 1st Lt. Tyler H. Brown, Spc. Philip D. Brown, Pfc. Timmy R. Brown Jr., 1st Lt. Tyler H. Brown, Cpl. Andrew D. Brownfield, Petty Officer 3rd Class Nathan B. Bruckenthal, Lance Cpl. Cedric E. Bruns, 2nd Lt. Todd J. Bryant, Sgt. Ernest G. Bucklew, Spc. Roy Russell Buckley, Pfc. Paul J. Bueche, Lt. Col. Charles H. Buehring, Lance Cpl. Brian Rory Buesing, Sgt. George Edward Buggs, Spc. Joshua I. Bunch, Staff Sgt. Christopher Bunda, Staff Sgt. Michael L. Burbank, Staff Sgt. Richard A. Burdick, Spc. Alan J. Burgess, Lance Cpl. Jeffrey C. Burgess, Pfc. Tamario D. Burkett, Sgt. Travis L. Burkhardt.

    Pfc. David P. Burridge, Pfc. Jesse R. Buryj, Pfc. Charles E. Bush Jr., Pvt. Matthew D. Bush, Pfc. Damian S. Bushart, Sgt. Jacob L. Butler, Capt. Joshua T. Byers, Cpl. Juan C. Cabralbanuelos, Pfc. Cody S. Calavan, Sgt. Juan Calderon Jr, Sgt. Charles T. Caldwell, Spc. Nathaniel A. Caldwell, Staff Sgt. Joseph Camara, Spc. Michael C. Campbell, Sgt. Ryan M. Campbell, Spc. Marvin A. Camposiles, Spc. Isaac Campoy, Spc. Ervin Caradine Jr., Spc. Adolfo C. Carballo, Pfc. Michael M. Carey, Cpl. Richard P. Carl, Pfc. Ryan G. Carlock, Pfc. Benjamin R. Carman, Staff Sgt. Edward W. Carmen, Spc. Jocelyn L. Carrasquillo, Sgt. Frank T. Carvill, Capt. Christopher S. Cash, Spc. Ahmed A. Cason, Pfc. Jose Casanova, Lance Cpl. James A. Casper, Capt. Paul J. Cassidy, Staff Sgt. Roland L. Castro, Sgt. Sean K. Cataudella, Lance Cpl. Steven C. T. Cates, Pfc. Thomas D. Caughman, Staff Sgt. James W. Cawley, Spc. Jessica L. Cawvey, Petty Officer 3rd Class David A. Cedergren, Lance Cpl. Manuel A. Ceniceros, Cpl. Kemaphoom A. Chanawongse, Spc. James A. Chance III, Staff Sgt. William D. Chaney, Chief Warrant Officer Robert William Channell Jr., Spc. Jason K. Chappell, Pfc. Jonathan M. Cheatham, Sgt. Yohjyh L. Chen, Lance Cpl. Marcus M. Cherry, 2nd Lt. Therrel S. Childers, Spc. Andrew F. Chris.

    Staff Sgt. Thomas W. Christensen, Spc. Brett T. Christian, Spc. Arron R. Clark, Staff Sgt. Michael J. Clark, Lance Cpl. Donald J. Cline Jr., Pfc. Christopher R. Cobb, Lance Cpl. Kyle W. Codner, 1st Sgt. Christopher D. Coffin, Pvt. Bradli N. Coleman, Cpl. Gary B. Coleman, 2nd Lt. Benjamin J. Colgan, Sgt. Russell L. Collier, Sgt. 1st Class Gary L. Collins, Lance Cpl. Jonathan W. Collins, Chief Warrant Officer Lawrence S. Colton, Spc. Zeferino E. Colunga, Sgt. Robert E. Colvill, Sgt. Kenneth Conde Jr., Sgt. Timothy M. Conneway, Spc. Steven D. Conover, Capt. Aaron J. Contreras, Lance Cpl. Pedro Contreras, Sgt. Jason Cook, Command Sgt. Major Eric F. Cooke, Sgt. Dennis A. Corral, Chief Warrant Officer Alexander S. Coulter, 2nd Lt. Leonard M. Cowherd, Spc. Gregory A. Cox, Pfc. Ryan R. Cox, Lance Corporal Timothy R. Creager, Sgt. Michael T. Crockett, Staff Sgt. Ricky L. Crockett, Sgt. Brud J. Cronkrite, Lance Cpl. Kyle D. Crowley, Pvt. Rey D. Cuervo, Pfc. Kevin A. Cuming, Spc. Daniel Francis J. Cunningham, Staff Sgt. Darren J. Cunningham, Spc. Carl F. Curran, Cpl. Michael Edward Curtin, Staff Sgt. Christopher E. Cutchall, Pfc. Brian K. Cutter, Pfc. Anthony D. D’Agostino, Spc. Edgar P. Daclan Jr., Capt. Nathan S. Dalley, Lance Cpl. Andrew S. Dang, Spc. Danny B. Daniels II, Pvt. 1st Class Torey J. Dantzler, Pfc. Norman Darling, Capt. Eric B. Das.

    Spc. Shawn M. Davies, Pvt. Brandon L. Davis, Staff Sgt. Craig Davis, Staff Sgt. Donald N. Davis, Spc. Raphael S. Davis, Staff Sgt. Wilbert Davis, Staff Sgt. Jeffrey F. Dayton, Pvt. Jason L. Deibler, Spc. Lauro G. DeLeon Jr., Sgt. Felix M. Delgreco, Sgt. Jacob H. Demand, Staff Sgt. Mike A. Dennie, Spc. Darryl T. Dent, Pfc. Ervin Dervishi, Spc. Daniel A. Desens, Pfc. Michael R. Deuel, Pvt. Michael J. Deutsch, Petty Officer 3rd Class Christopher M. Dickerson, Cpl. Nicholas J. Dieruf, Spc. Jeremiah J. DiGiovanni, Spc. Jeremy M. Dimaranan, Spc. Michael A. Diraimondo, Spc. Anthony J. Dixon, Spc. Ryan E. Doltz, Sgt. Michael E. Dooley, Chief Warrant Officer Patrick D. Dorff, Petty Officer 2nd Class Trace W. Dossett, Lance Cpl. Scott E. Dougherty, 1st Sgt. Robert J. Dowdy, Pfc. Stephen P. Downing II, Spc. Chad H. Drake, Pvt. Jeremy L. Drexler, Cpl. Jason L. Dunham, Staff Sgt. Joe L. Dunigan Jr., Spc. Robert L. DuSang, Spc. William D. Dusenbery, 2nd Lt. Seth J. Dvorin, Petty Officer 2nd Class Jason B. Dwelley, Pfc. Sheldon R. Hawk Eagle, Staff Sgt. Richard S. Eaton Jr., Cpl. Christopher S. Ebert, Sgt. William C. Eckhart, Spc. Marshall L. Edgerton, Pfc. Shawn C. Edwards, Spc. Andrew C. Ehrlich, Sgt. Aaron C. Elandt, Spc. William R. Emanuel IV, Lance Cpl. Mark E. Engel, Spc. Peter G. Enos, Senior Airman Pedro I. Espaillat Jr.

    Pfc. Analaura Esparza Gutierrez, Sgt. Adam W. Estep, Pvt. Ruben Estrella-Soto, Pfc. David Evans, Cpl. Mark A. Evnin, Pfc. Jeremy Ricardo Ewing, Sgt. Justin L. Eyerly, Pvt. Jonathan I. Falaniko, Sgt. James D. Faulkner, Pfc. Raymond J. Faulstich Jr., Capt. Brian R. Faunce, Capt. Arthur L. Felder, 2nd Lt. Paul M. Felsberg, Spc. Rian C. Ferguson, Master Sgt. Richard L. Ferguson, Master Sgt. George A. Fernandez, Staff Sgt. Clint D. Ferrin, Spc. Jon P. Fettig, Cpl. Tyler R. Fey, Sgt. Jeremy J. Fischer, Sgt. Paul F. Fisher, Lance Cpl. Dustin R. Fitzgerald, Pfc. Jacob S. Fletcher, Spc. Thomas A. Foley III, Sgt. Timothy Folmar, Gunnery Sgt. Elia P. Fontecchio, Spc. Jason C. Ford, Capt. Travis A. Ford, Chief Warrant Officer Wesley C. Fortenberry, Sgt. 1st Class Bradley C. Fox, Spc. Craig S. Frank, Lance Cpl. Phillip E. Frank, Staff Sgt. Bobby C. Franklin, Pvt. Robert L. Frantz, Pvt. Benjamin L. Freeman, Sgt. David T. Friedrich, Spc. Luke P. Frist, Spc. Adam D. Froehlich, Pvt. Kurt R. Frosheiser, Pfc. Nichole M. Frye, Sgt. 1st Class Dan H. Gabrielson, Lance Cpl. Jonathan E. Gadsden, Capt. Richard J. Gannon II, Spc. Tomas Garces, Lance Cpl. Derek L. Gardner, Cpl. Jose A. Garibay, Spc. Joseph M. Garmback Jr., Sgt. Landis W. Garrison, Sgt. Justin W. Garvey, Spc. Israel Garza.

    1st Sgt. Joe J. Garza, Pfc. Juan Guadalupe Garza Jr, Spc. Christopher D. Gelineau, Lance Cpl. Cory Ryan Guerin, Cpl. Christopher A. Gibson, Pvt. Jonathan L. Gifford, Pvt. Kyle C. Gilbert, Command Sgt. Maj. Cornell W. Gilmore, Petty Officer 3rd Class Ronald A. Ginther, Pfc. Jesse A. Givens, Spc. Michael T. Gleason, Cpl. Todd J. Godwin, 2nd Lt. James Michael Goins, Spc. Christopher A. Golby, Spc. David J. Goldberg, Lance Cpl. Shane L. Goldman, Cpl. Armando Ariel Gonzalez, Lance Cpl. Benjamin R. Gonzalez, Cpl. Jesus A. Gonzalez, Cpl. Jorge Gonzalez, Lance Cpl. Victor A. Gonzalez, Cpl. Bernard G. Gooden, Pfc. Gregory R. Goodrich, Sgt. 1st Class Richard S. Gottfried, Spc. Richard A. Goward, 2nd Lt. Jeffrey C. Graham, Sgt. Jamie A. Gray, Petty Officer 2nd Class Michael J. Gray, Sgt. Tommy L. Gray, Lance Cpl. Torrey L. Gray, Cpl. Jeffrey G. Green, Lt. Col. David S. Greene, Pfc. Devin J. Grella, Spc. Kyle A. Griffin, Staff Sgt. Patrick Lee Griffin Jr., Cpl. Sean R. Grilley, Pvt. Joseph R. Guerrera, Chief Warrant Officer Hans N. Gukeisen, Pfc. Christian D. Gurtner, Lance Cpl. Jose Gutierrez, Pfc. Richard W. Hafer, Staff Sgt. Guy S. Hagy Jr., Spc. Charles G. Haight, Lance Cpl. Michael J. Halal, Pfc. Deryk L. Hallal, Pvt. Jesse M. Halling, Pfc. Andrew Halverson, Chief Warrant Officer Erik A. Halvorsen, Capt. Kimberly N. Hampton, Sgt. Michael S. Hancock.

    Pfc. Fernando B. Hannon, Sgt. Warren S. Hansen, Sgt. James W. Harlan, Sgt. Atanacio Haro Marin, Staff Sgt. William M. Harrell, Sgt. Foster L. Harrington, Pfc. Adam J. Harris, Sgt. Kenneth W. Harris Jr., Pfc. Torry D. Harris, Pfc. Leroy Harris-Kelly, Pfc. John D. Hart, Sgt. Nathaniel Hart, Sgt. 1st Class David A. Hartman, Sgt. Jonathan N. Hartman, Staff Sgt. Stephen C. Hattamer, Staff Sgt. Omer T. Hawkins II, Sgt. Timothy L. Hayslett, Chief Warrant Officer Brian D. Hazelgrove, Sgt. David M. Heath, Spc. Justin W. Hebert, Pfc. Damian L. Heidelberg, Pfc. Raheen Tyson Heighter, Spc. Jeremy M. Heines, Staff Sgt. Brian R. Hellerman, Staff Sgt. Terry W. Hemingway, Cpl. Matthew C. Henderson, 1st Lt. Robert L. Henderson II, Staff Sgt. Kenneth W. Hendrickson, Sgt. Jack T. Hennessy, Spc. Joshua J. Henry, Pfc. Clayton W. Henson, Spc. Armando Hernandez, Spc. Joseph F. Herndon II, Pfc. Edward J. Herrgott, Spc. Jacob B. Herring, Sgt. 1st Class Gregory B. Hicks, Spc. Christopher K. Hill, Spc. Stephen D. Hiller, Sgt. Keicia M. Hines, Pfc. Melissa J. Hobart, Sgt. Nicholas M. Hodson, Sgt. 1st Class James T. Hoffman, Spc. Christopher J. Holland, Staff Sgt. Aaron N. Holleyman, Staff Sgt. Lincoln D. Hollinsaid, Spc. James J. Holmes, Spc. Jeremiah J. Holmes, Cpl. Terry Holmes, Airman 1st Class Antoine J. Holt, Pfc. Sean Horn, Master Sgt. Kelly L. Hornbeck.

    Staff Sgt. Jeremy R. Horton, Capt. Andrew R. Houghton, Lance Cpl Gregory C. Howman, Pfc. Bert E. Hoyer, Spc. Corey A. Hubbell, Pfc. Christopher E. Hudson, 1st Lt. Doyle M. Hufstedler, Staff Sgt. Jamie L. Huggins, Spc. Eric R. Hull, Cpl Barton R. Humlhanz, Lance Cpl. Justin T. Hunt, Spc. Simeon Hunte, 1st Lt. Joshua C. Hurley, Lance Cpl. James B. Huston Jr., Lance Cpl. Seth Huston, Pvt. Nolen R. Hutchings, Pfc. Ray J. Hutchinson, Pfc. Gregory P. Huxley Jr., Spc. Benjamin W. Isenberg, Spc. Craig S. Ivory, Pfc. Leslie D. Jackson, Spc. Morgen N. Jacobs, Chief Warrant Officer Scott Jamar, Cpl. Evan T. James, 2nd Lt. Luke S. James, Spc. William A. Jeffries, Petty Officer 2nd Class Robert B. Jenkins, Sgt. Troy David Jenkins, Spc. Darius T. Jennings, Pfc. Ryan M. Jerabek, Sgt. Linda C. Jimenez, 1st Lt. Oscar Jimenez, Capt. Christopher B. Johnson, Spc. David W. Johnson, Pfc. Howard Johnson II, Spc. John P. Johnson, Pfc. Markus J. Johnson, Spc. Maurice J. Johnson, Hospital Corpsman 3rd Class Michael Vann Johnson Jr., Spc. Nathaniel H. Johnson, Staff Sgt. Paul J. Johnson, Chief Warrant Officer, Pfc. Rayshawn S. Johnson, Pvt. Devon D. Jones, Capt. Gussie M. Jones, Staff Sgt. Raymond E. Jones Jr., Spc. Rodney A. Jones, Lt. Kylan A. Jones- Huffman, Sgt. Curt E. Jordan Jr., Sgt. Jason D. Jordan.

    Staff Sgt. Phillip A. Jordan, Cpl. Forest J. Jostes, Spc. Spencer T. Karol, Spc. Michael G. Karr Jr., Spc. Mark J. Kasecky, 1st Lt. Jeffrey J. Kaylor, Spc. Chad L. Keith, Lance Cpl. Quinn A. Keith, Lance Cpl. Bryan P. Kelly, Cpl. Brian Kennedy, Chief Warrant Officer Kyran E. Kennedy, Staff Sgt. Morgan D. Kennon, 1st Lt. Christopher J. Kenny, Spc. Jonathan R. Kephart, Cpl. Dallas L. Kerns, Chief Warrant Officer Erik C. Kesterson, Capt. Humayun S. M. Khan, Spc. James M. Kiehl, Pt. Jeungjin Na Kim, Staff Sgt. Kevin C. Kimmerly. Spc. Levi B. Kinchen, Staff Sgt. Lester O. Kinney II, Pfc. David M. Kirchhoff, Staff Sgt. Charles A. Kiser, Lance Cpl. Nicholas Brian Kleiboeker, Spc. John K. Klinesmith Jr., Sgt. Floyd G. Knighten Jr., Petty Officer 3rd Class Eric L. Knott, Spc. Joshua L. Knowles, Staff Sgt. Lance J. Koenig, Cpl. Kevin T. Kolm, Pfc. Martin W. Kondor, Chief Warrant Patrick W. Kordsmeier, Capt. Edward J. Korn, Sgt. Bradley S. Korthaus, Cpl. Jakub Henryk Kowalik, Sgt. Elmer C. Krause, Pvt. Dustin L. Kreider, Pfc. Bradley G. Kritzer, Capt. John F. Kurth, Sgt. 1st Class William W. Labadie Jr., Sgt. Joshua S. Ladd, Sgt. Michael V. Lalush, Lance Cpl. Alan Dinh Lam, Spc. Charles R. Lamb, Spc. James I. Lambert III, Pfc. James P. Lambert, Sgt. Jonathan W. Lambert, Capt. Andrew David Lamont, Staff Sgt. Sean G. Landrus, Gunnery Sgt. Shawn A. Lane.

    Pfc. Moises A. Langhorst, Spc. Tracy L. Laramore, Spc. Scott Q. Larson Jr., Chief Warrant Officer Matthew C. Laskowski, Staff Sgt. William T. Latham, Pfc. Karina S. Lau, Cpl. Jeffrey D. Lawrence, Staff Sgt. Mark A. Lawton, Lance Cpl. Travis J. Layfield, Staff Sgt. Rene Ledesma, 2nd Lt. Ryan Leduc, Cpl. Bum R. Lee, Pfc. Ken W. Leisten, Staff Sgt. Jerome Lemon, Spc. Cedric L. Lennon, Pfc. Farad K. Letufuga, Spc. Justin W. Linden, Spc. Roger G. Ling, Spc. Joseph L. Lister, Staff Sgt. Nino D. Livaudais, Sgt. Dale T. Lloyd, Sgt. Daniel J. Londono, Spc. Ryan P. Long, Spc. Zachariah W. Long, Pfc. Duane E. Longstreth, Sgt. Edgar E. Lopez, Lance Cpl. Juan Lopez, Sgt. Richard M. Lord, Staff Sgt. David L. Loyd, Capt. Robert L. Lucero, Pfc. Jason C. Ludiam, Lance Cpl. Jacob R. Lugo, Pfc. Jason N. Lynch, Pfc. Christopher D. Mabry, Lance Cpl. Gregory E. MacDonald, Lance Cpl. Cesar F. Machado-Olmos, Pfc. Vorn J. Mack, Lance Cpl. Joseph B. Maglione, Spc. William J. Maher III, Staff Sgt. Toby W. Mallet, Chief Warrant Officer Ian D. Manuel, Pfc. Pablo Manzano, Pfc. Lyndon A. Marcus Jr., Staff Sgt. Paul C. Mardis Jr., Cpl. Douglas Jose Marencoreyes, Master Sgt. Jude C. Mariano, Spc. James E. Marshall, Sgt. 1st Class John W. Marshall, Pfc. Ryan A. Martin, Staff Sgt. Stephen G. Martin.

    Sgt. Francisco Martinez, Pfc. Francisco A. Martinez Flores, Pfc. Jesse J. Martinez, Spc. Michael A. Martinez, Pfc. Oscar A. Martinez, Spc. Jacob D. Martir, Sgt. Arthur S. Mastrapa, Chief Warrant Officer Johnny Villareal Mata, Lance Cpl. Ramon Mateo, Spc. Clint Richard Matthews, Lance Cpl. Ramon Mateo, Cpl. Matthew E. Matula, Staff Sgt. Donald C. May Jr, Pfc. Joseph P. Mayek, Spc. Patrick R. McCaffrey Sr., Lance Cpl. Joseph C. MacCarthy, Pfc. Ryan M. McCauley, Cpl. Brad P. McCormick, 1st Lt. Erik. S. McCrae, Spc. Donald R. McCune, Spc. Dustin K. McGaugh, Pfc. Holly J. McGeogh, Sgt. Brian D. McGinnis, Spc. Michael A. McGlothin. Petty Officer 2nd Class Scott R. McHugh, Hospitalman Joshua McIntosh, Spc. David M. McKeever, Spc. Eric S. McKinley, Pvt. Robert L. McKinley, Staff Sgt. Don S. McMahan, Sgt. Heath A. McMillin, 1st Lt. Brian M. McPhillips, Cpl. Jesus Martin Antonio Medellin, Spc. Irving Medina, Spc. Kenneth A. Melton, Cpl. Jaygee Meluat, Petty Officer 3rd Class Fernando A. Mendezaceves, Gunnery Sgt. Joseph Menusa, Staff Sgt. Eddie E. Menyweather, Spc. Gil Mercado, Spc. Michael M. Merila, Spc. Christopher A. Merville, Sgt. Daniel K. Methvin, Pfc. Jason M. Meyer, Sgt. Eliu A. Miersandoval, Spc. Michael G. Mihalakis, Pfc. Matthew G. Milczark, Cpl. Jason David Mileo, Pfc. Anthony S. Miller, Pfc. Bruce Miller Jr., Staff Sgt. Frederick L. Miller Jr.

    Sgt. 1st Class Marvin L. Miller, Sgt. Joseph Minucci II, Sgt. First Class Troy L. Miranda, Spc. George A. Mitchell, Sgt. Keman L. Mitchell, Sgt. Michael W. Mitchell, Spc. Sean R. Mitchell, Pfc. Jesse D. Mizener, Staff Sgt. Jorge A. Molinabautista, Pfc. Anthony W. Monroe, 1st Lt. Adam G. Mooney, Lance Cpl. Jason William Moore, Pfc. Stuart W. Moore, Sgt. Travis A. Moothart, Spc. Jose L. Mora, Sgt. Melvin Y. Mora, Pfc. Michael A. Mora, Master Sgt. Kevin N. Morehead, Capt. Brent L. Morel, Petty Officer 3rd Class David J. Moreno, Sgt. Gerardo Moreno, Spc. Jaime Moreno, Pfc. Luis A. Moreno, Spc. Dennis B. Morgan, Staff Sgt. Richard L. Morgan Jr., Pfc. Geoffery S. Morris, Pfc. Ricky A. Morris Jr., Lance Cpl. Nicholas B. Morrison, Sgt. Shawna M. Morrison, Sgt. Keelan L. Moss, Spc. Clifford L. Moxley Jr., Sgt. Cory R. Mracek, Sgt. Rodney A. Murray, Sgt. Krisna Nachampassak, Spc. Paul T. Nakamura, Spc. Nathan W. Nakis, Pvt. Kenneth A. Nalley, Chief Warrant Officer Christopher G. Nason, Maj. Kevin G. Nave, Spc. Rafael L. Navea, Spc. Charles L. Neeley, Staff Sgt. Paul M. Neff II, Pfc. Gavin L. Neighbor, Spc. Joshua M. Neusche, Cpl. Dominique J. Nicolas, Lance Cpl. Joseph L. Nice, Spc. Isaac Michael Nieves, Lance Cpl. Patrick R. Nixon, Spc. Allen Nolan, Spc. Marcos O. Nolasco.

    Sgt. William J. Normandy, Spc. Joseph C. Norquist, 1st Lt. Leif E. Nott, Staff Sgt. Todd E. Nunes, Spc. David T. Nutt, Cpl. Mick R. Nygardbekowsky, Spc. Donald S. Oak Jr., Pfc. Branden F. Oberleitner, Lance Cpl. Patrick T. O’Day, Spc. Charles E. Odums II, Spc. Ramon C. Ojeda, Cpl. Terry Holmes Ordonez, Cpl. Brian Oliveira, Spc. Justin B. Onwordi, Spc. Richard P. Orengo, Lt. Col. Kim S. Orlando, Lance Cpl. Eric J. Orlowski, 1st Lt. Osbaldo Orozco, Pfc. Cody J. Orr, Staff Sgt. Billy J. Orton, Sgt. Pamela G. Osbourne, Lance Cpl. Deshon E. Otey, Pfc. Kevin C. Ott, Sgt. Michael G. Owen, Lance Cpl. David Edward Owens Jr, Sgt. Fernando Padilla- Ramirez, Pvt. Shawn D. Pahnke, Spc. Gabriel T. Palacios, Capt. Eric T. Paliwoda, 1st Lt. Joshua M. Palmer, Staff Sgt. Dale A. Panchot, Pfc. Daniel R. Parker, Pfc. James D. Parker, Pfc. Kristen Parker, Cpl. Tommy L. Parker Jr., Sgt. Harvey E. Parkerson III, Sgt. David B. Parson, Staff Sgt. Esau G. Patterson Jr., Master Sgt. William L. Payne, Sgt. Michael F. Pedersen, Staff Sgt. Abraham D. Penamedina, Spc. Brian H. Penisten, Sgt. Ross A. Pennanen, Staff Sgt. Gregory V. Pennington, Pfc. Geoffrey Perez, Staff Sgt. Hector R. Perez, Sgt. Joel Perez, Spc. Jose A. Perez III, Pfc. Luis A. Perez, Lance Cpl. Nicholas Perez.

    Spc. Wilfredo Perez Jr., Petty Officer 1st Class Michael J. Pernaselli, Staff Sgt. David S. Perry, Pfc. Charles C. Persing, Staff Sgt. Dustin W. Peters, Spc. Alyssa R. Peterson, Staff Sgt. Brett J. Petriken, Staff Sgt. James L. Pettaway Jr., Staff Sgt. Erickson H. Petty, Pfc. Jerrick M. Petty, Lt. Col. Mark P. Phelan, Pfc. Chance R. Phelps, Sgt. 1st Class Gladimir Philippe, Sgt. Ivory L. Phipps, Capt. Pierre E. Piche, Pfc. Lori Piestewa, Capt. Dennis L. Pintor, Spc. James H. Pirtle, Pfc. Jason T. Poindexter, 2nd Lt. Frederick E. Pokorney Jr., Staff Sgt. Andrew R. Pokorny, Spc. Justin W. Pollard, Spc. Larry E. Polley Jr., Sgt. Darrin K. Potter, Pfc. David L. Potter, Sgt. Christopher S. Potts, Spc. James E. Powell, Lance Cpl. Caleb J. Powers, Cpl. Dean P. Pratt, Pfc. James E. Prevete, Pvt. Kelley S. Prewitt, Sgt. Tyler D. Prewitt, Pfc. James W. Price, 1st Lt. Timothy E. Price, Lance Cpl. Mathew D. Puckett, Sgt. Jaror C. Puello- Coronado, Staff Sgt. Michael B. Quinn, Staff Sgt. Richard P. Ramey, Sgt. Christopher Ramirez, Spc. Eric U. Ramirez, Pfc. William C. Ramirez, Pfc. Christopher Ramos, Spc. Tamarra J. Ramos, Pfc. Brandon Ramsey, Pvt. Carson J. Ramsey, Sgt. Edmond L. Randle, Pfc. Cleston C. Raney, Capt. Gregory A. Ratzlaff, Spc. Rel A. Ravago IV, Spc. Omead H. Razani.

    Spc. Brandon M. Read, Pfc. Christopher J. Reed, Pfc. Ryan E. Reed, Sgt. Tatjana Reed, Staff Sgt. Aaron T. Reese, Spc. Jeremy F. Regnier, Sgt. 1st Class Randall S. Rehn, Sgt. Brendon C. Reiss, Staff Sgt. George S. Rentschler, Sgt. Sean C. Reynolds, Lance Cpl. Rafael Reynosa- Suarez, Sgt. Yadir G. Reynoso, Cpl. Demetrius L. Rice, Sgt. Ariel Rico, Spc. Jeremy L. Ridlen, Pfc. Diego Fernando Rincon, Cpl. Steven A. Rintamaki, Sgt. Duane R. Rios, Capt. Russell B. Rippetoe, Pfc. Henry C. Risner, Sgt. 1st Class Jose A. Rivera, Cpl. John T. Rivero, Spc. Frank K. Rivers Jr., Sgt. Thomas D. Robbins, Sgt. Todd J. Robbins, Lance Cpl. Anthony P. Roberts, Lance Cpl. Bob W. Roberts, Spc. Robert D. Roberts, Staff Sgt. Joseph E. Robsky, Sgt. Moses D. Rocha, Pfc. Marlin T. Rockhold, Pfc. Jose Francis Gonzalez Rodriguez, Cpl. Robert M. Rodriguez, Spc. Philip G. Rogers, Sgt. 1st Class Robert E. Rooney, Cpl. Randal Kent Rosacker, Staff Sgt. Victor A. Rosales, Pfc. Richard H. Rosas, Sgt. Scott C. Rose, Sgt. Thomas C. Rosenbaum, Sgt. Randy S. Rosenberg, Spc. Marco D. Ross, Sgt. Lawrence A. Roukey, Capt. Alan Rowe, Spc. Brandon J. Rowe, Sgt. Roger D. Rowe, 2nd Lt. Jonathan D. Rozier, Spc. Isela Rubalcava, Pfc. Aaron J. Rusin, Sgt. John W. Russell.

    1st Lt. Timothy Louis Ryan, Chief Warrant Officer Scott A. Saboe, Spc. Rasheed Sahib, Cpl. Rudy Salas, Cpl. William I. Salazar, 1st Lt. Edward M. Saltz, Capt. Benjamin W. Sammis, Spc. Sonny G. Sampler, Spc. Gregory P. Sanders, Pfc. Leroy Sandoval Jr., Spc. Matthew J. Sandri, Staff Sgt. Barry Sanford, 1st Lt. Neil Anthony Santoriello, Spc. Jonathan J. Santos, Pfc. Brandon R. Sapp, Staff Sgt. Cameron B. Sarno, Staff Sgt. Scott D. Sather, Lance Cpl. Jeremiah E. Savage, Capt. Robert C. Scheetz Jr., Spc. Justin B. Schmidt, Spc. Jeremiah W. Schmunk, Pfc. Sean M. Schneider, Cpl. Dustin H. Schrage, Maj. Mathew E. Schram, Lance Cpl. Brian K. Schramm, Spc. Christian C. Schulz, Master Sgt. David A. Scott, Pfc. Kerry D. Scott, Spc. Stephen M. Scott, Spc. Marc S. Seiden, Capt. Christopher Scott Seifert, Pfc. Dustin M. Sekula, Lance Cpl. Matthew K. Serio, Sgt. Juan M. Serrano, Staff Sgt. Wentz Jerome Henry Shanaberger III, Spc. Jeffrey R. Shaver, Maj. Kevin M. Shea, Spc. Casey Sheehan, Sgt. Kevin F. Sheehan, Sgt. Daniel Michael Shepherd, Sgt. Alan D. Sherman, Lt. Col. Anthony L. Sherman, Pfc. Harry N. Shondee Jr., Lance Cpl. Brad S. Shuder, Capt. James A. Shull, Pfc. Kenneth L. Sickels, Lance Cpl. Dustin L. Sides, Cpl. Erik H. Silva, Pvt. Sean A. Silva, Sgt. Leonard D. Simmons.

    Pfc. Charles M. Sims, Lance Cpl. John T. Sims Jr., Spc. Uday Singh, Spc. Aaron J. Sissel, Pfc. Christopher A. Sisson, Pfc. Nicholas M. Skinner, Petty Officer 3rd Class David Sisung, 1st Lt. Brian D. Slavenas, Pvt. Brandon Ulysses Sloan, Lance Cpl. Richard P. Slocum, Lance Cpl. Thomas J. Slocum, Pfc. Corey L. Small, Sgt. Keith L. Smette, Capt. Benedict J. Smith, Sgt. Benjamin K. Smith, Pfc. Brandon C. Smith, 2nd Lt. Brian D. Smith, Chief Warrant Officer Bruce A. Smith, Cpl. Darrell L. Smith, 1st Sgt. Edward Smith, Chief Warrant Officer Eric A. Smith, Pfc. Jeremiah D. Smith, Lance Cpl. Matthew R. Smith, Lance Cpl. Michael J. Smith Jr., Spc. Orenthial J. Smith, Sgt. 1st Class Paul R. Smith, Capt. Christopher F. Soelzer, Sgt. Roderic A. Solomon, Cpl. Adrian V. Soltau, Maj. Charles R. Soltes Jr., Sgt. Skipper Soram, Pfc. Armando Soriano, Cpl. Tomas Sotelo Jr., Pfc. Kenneth C. Souslin, Spc. Philip I. Spakosky, Pfc. Jason L. Sparks, Cpl. Michael R. Speer, Staff Sgt. Trevor Spink, Maj. Christopher J. Splinter, Sgt. Marvin R. Sprayberry III, Pvt. Bryan N. Spry, Sgt. Maj. Michael B. Stack, Pfc. Nathan E. Stahl, 1st Lt. Andrew K. Stern, Staff Sgt. Robert A. Stever, Maj. Gregory Stone, 2nd Lt. Matthew R. Stovall, Pfc. William R. Strange, Sgt. Kirk Allen Straseskie, Pfc. Brandon C. Sturdy.

    Spc. William R. Sturges Jr., Spc. Paul J. Sturino, Lance Cpl. Jesus A. Suarez Del Solar, Spc. Joseph D. Suell, Spc. John R. Sullivan, Spc. Narson B. Sullivan, Lance Cpl. Vincent M. Sullivan, Staff Sgt. Michael J. Sutter, Pfc. Ernest Harold Sutphin, Chief Warrant Officer Sharon T. Swartworth, Spc. Thomas J. Sweet II, Staff Sgt. Christopher W. Swisher, Maj. Paul R. Syverson III, Sgt. Patrick S. Tainsh, Sgt. DeForest L. Talbert, Sgt. 1st Class Linda Ann Tarango-Griess, Spc. Christopher M. Taylor, Maj. Mark D. Taylor, Capt. John R. Teal, Staff Sgt. Riayan A. Tejeda, Lance Cpl. Jason Andrew Tetrault, Spc. Joseph C. Thibodeaux, Master Sgt. Thomas R. Thigpen Sr., Cpl. Jesse L. Thiry, Sgt. Carl Thomas, Staff Sgt. Kendall Thomas, Spc. Kyle G. Thomas, Sgt. Anthony O. Thompson, Spc. Jarrett B. Thompson, Sgt. Humberto F. Timoteo, Capt. John E. Tipton, Pfc. Joshua K. Titcomb, Spc. Brandon T. Titus, Spc. Brandon S. Tobler, Sgt. Lee D. TodacheeneCpl. John H. Todd III, Sgt. Nicholas A. Tomko, Master Sgt. Timothy Toney, Pfc. George D. Torres, Lance Cpl. Michael S. Torres, 2nd Lt. Richard Torres, Spc. Ramon Reyes Torres, Lance Cpl. Elias Torrez III, Sgt. Michael L. Tosto, Spc. Richard K. Trevithick, Pfc. Andrew L. Tuazon, Staff Sgt. Roger C. Turner Jr., Pvt. Scott M. Tyrrell, 2nd Lt. Andre D. Tyson, Spc. Eugene A. Uhl III, Lance Cpl. Drew M. Uhles.

    Rick A. Ulbright, Pfc. Daniel P. Unger, Spc. Robert Oliver Unruh, 1st Sgt. Ernest E. Utt, Sgt. Michael A. Uvanni, Staff Sgt. Gary A. Vaillant, Lance Cpl. Ruben Valdez Jr., Sgt. Melissa Valles, Spc. Allen J. Vandayburg, Spc. Josiah H. Vandertulip, Chief Warrant Officer Brian K. Van Dusen, Lance Cpl. John J. Vangyzen IV, Lance Cpl. Gary F. Van Leuven, Staff Sgt. Mark D. Vasquez, Spc. Frances M. Vega, 1st Lt. Michael W. Vega, Staff Sgt. Paul A. Velazquez, Cpl. David M. Vicente, Sgt. 1st Class Joselito O. Villanueva, Cpl. Scott M. Vincent, Staff Sgt. Kimberly A. Voelz, Staff Sgt. Michael S. Voss, Spc. Thai Vue, Lance Cpl. Michael B. Wafford, Sgt. Christopher A. Wagener, Sgt. Gregory L. Wahl, Staff Sgt. Allan K. Walker, Sgt. Jeffery C. Walker, Sgt. Donald Ralph Walters, Pvt. Jason M. Ward, Pfc. Nachez Washalanta, Lance Cpl. Christopher B. Wasser, Pvt. David L. Waters, Staff Sgt. Kendall Damon Waters-Bey, Maj. William R. Watkins III, Petty Officer 2nd Class Christopher E. Watts, Chief Warrant Officer Aaron A. Weaver, Spc. Michael S. Weger, Staff Sgt. David J. Weisenburg, Spc. Douglas J. Weismantle, Pfc. Michael Russell Creighton Weldon, Lance Cpl. Larry L. Wells, Chief Warrant Officer Stephen M. Wells, Spc. Jeffrey M. Wershow, Spc. Christopher J. Rivera Wesley, Sgt. James G. West, 1st Lt. Alexander E. Wetherbee, Spc. Donald L. Wheeler, Sgt. Mason Douglas Whetstone, Pfc. Marquis A. Whitaker.

    Staff Sgt. Aaron Dean White, Lt. Nathan D. White, Sgt. Steven W. White, Lance Cpl. William W. White, Pfc. Joey D. Whitener, Spc. Chase R. Whitman, Spc. Michael J. Wiesemann, Cpl. Joshua S. Wilfong, Sgt. Eugene Williams, Lance Cpl. Michael J. Williams, Spc. Michael L. Williams, Sgt. Taft V. Williams, 1st Lt. Charles L. Wilkins III, Sgt. 1st Class Christopher R. Willoughby, Spc. Dana N. Wilson, Command Sgt. Maj. Jerry L. Wilson, Staff Sgt. Joe N. Wilson, Lance Cpl. Lamont N. Wilson, Lance Cpl. Nicholas Wilt, 1st Lt. Ronald Winchester, Spc. Trevor A. Wine, Lance Cpl. William J. Wiscowiche, Spc. Robert A. Wise, Spc. Michelle M. Witmer, Pfc. Owen D. Witt, Spc. James R. Wolf, 2nd Lt. Jeremy L. Wolfe, Sgt. Elijah Tai Wah Wong, Sgt. Brian M. Wood, Capt. George A. Wood, Spc. Michael R. Woodliff, Spc. James C. Wright, Pfc. Jason G. Wright, 2nd Lt. John T. Wroblewski, Lance Cpl. Daniel R. Wyatt, Pfc. Stephen E. Wyatt, Sgt. Michael E. Yashinski, Sgt. Henry Ybarra III, Pfc. Rodricka A. Youmans, Sgt. Ryan C. Young, Lance Cpl. Andrew J. Zabierek, Spc. Nicholas J. Zangara, Spc. Mark Anthony Zapata, Pfc. Nicholaus E. Zimmer, Cpl. Ian T. Zook, Lance Cpl. Robert P. Zurheide Jr.

    This list is far too long.

  41. The one major problem I have with the United States of Canada/Jesusland images (as humourous as they are) is that West Michigan ends up with Canada. West Michigan is Jesusland territory, period. I can’t even walk into the local comic shop without the store’s owner giving me a nice wonderful “you are going to hell” Jack Chick tract. The guy makes his living selling comics with “half naked women” in them and Dungeons and Dragons & other RPG stuff, yet he sees no problems with giving out chick tracts to customers even though Chick would say I’m going to hell for purchasing this guy’s merchandise!

  42. So your anger would cause you to wash your hands of those that are on your side, and you would leave your fellow man who fight for what is right in the middle of a battle when the going gets rough? The wounded here are not dead. They will not quit because you left. They will just remember. Do you think that I like how things worked out and am not hurt by the ignorance of people who have given up what is right and wrong for what they think is moral. To place there morals on me when I live by a code that they could not begin to comprehend. Love is not pushing your thinking on others. Love allows for thinking, and values when others do. Just short of half of the nation did good. I can not wash my hands of them because of the rest or I would be on my way to Romaina where I could make films with a lot less trouble. No I will stay and fight.

  43. Presidential choice

    % of all voters Bush Kerry
    Bush/Cheney51% 100%—
    Kerry/Edwards 48 -~ 100%
    Other 1——

    % of all voters Bush Kerry
    Men 49% 53% 46%
    Women 51%49% 50%

    Gender and marital status
    % of all voters Bush Kerry
    Married men 31% 59% 40%
    Single men 16 40% 58%
    Married women 30 57% 42%
    Single women 19 35% 64%

    % of all voters Bush Kerry
    18-29 20% 43% 55%
    30-44 32 52% 47%
    45-64 36 54% 45%
    65 or older 12% 55% 45%

    % of all voters Bush Kerry
    White 79% 57% 42%
    Black 10%14% 86%
    Latino 5%45% 54%
    Asian3%34% 64%

    % of all voters Bush Kerry
    Less than college 48% 54% 45%
    College degree or more 52% 49% 50 %

    Income of voter
    % of all voters Bush Kerry
    Less than $20,000 10% 46% 51%
    $20,000 to $39,999 20%47% 52%
    $40,000 to $59,999 20%51% 48%
    $60,000 to $74,999 15% 53% 46%
    $75,000 or more 35%54% 45%

    Political ideology
    % of all voters Bush Kerry
    Liberal 32% 19% 79%
    Moderate 29%45% 54%
    Conservative 39%82%18%

    Party affiliation
    % of all voters Bush Kerry
    Democrat 40% 12% 88%
    Independent 19%48% 49%
    Republican 39%94% 6%

    Party ideology
    % of all voters Bush Kerry
    Liberal Democrats 22% 5% 95%
    Other Democrats 18%19%81%
    Other Independents 13%36%60%
    Conservative Independents 6%77% 22%
    Other Republicans 13%89% 11%
    Conservative Republicans 27% 96% 4%

    When decided presidential vote
    % of all voters Bush Kerry
    Today/yesterday 8% 45% 52%
    Over the weekend 2% 47% 46%
    Before the weekend 43% 37% 62%
    Always knew 47% 65% 34%

    Military affiliation
    % of all voters Bush Kerry
    Household with a  
    veteran and/or family  
    active in military 46% 54% 45%
    Not in military,   
    nor a veteran 50%48% 51%

    % of all voters Bush Kerry
    Protestant 51% 61% 38%
    Catholic 25% 55% 44%
    Jewish 4&% 74%

    Attendance at religious services
    % of all voters Bush Kerry
    Weekly or more 42% 65% 34%
    Less than that 58% 42%57%

    Gun ownership
    % of all voters Bush Kerry
    Own guns 36% 65% 34%
    Don’t own any 64% 43% 56%

    Voting status
    % of all voters Bush Kerry
    First-time voter 11% 42% 57%
    Voted before 89%53% 46%

    % of all voters Bush Kerry
    City 36% 43%56%
    Suburb 32%52% 47%
    Small town 20% `58% 41%
    Rural 12%62% 37%

    % of all votersBush Kerry
    East 24% 42% 57%
    Midwest 24%54% 45%
    South 32%57% 42%
    West 20%49% 50%

    Union household
    % of all voters Bush Kerry
    Union households 27% 43% 56%
    Non-union households 73%54% 45%

    % of all voters Bush Kerry
    Heterosexual 96% 53% 46%
    Gay/lesbian/ bisexual 4 17% 81%

    Do you think the country is on the right or wrong track?

    % of all voters Bush Kerry
    Right track 51% 89% 11%
    Wrong track 49%11% 87%

    Do you think the situation in Iraq (news – web sites) was worth going to war over, or not?

    % of all voters Bush Kerry
    Worth it 50% 88% 12%
    Not worth it 50%14% 84%

    I can not believe there are that many truly ignorant people here. All of them now lead by the grand monkey brain of all presidents.

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